At 12:39 AM -0600 11/19/02, Alpana Sarangapani wrote: > C'da: Hats off to you. You are a great spin-meister. On the one hand, >you >tell others not to make any assumptions on this guy, but you go off >on a >tangent making all kinds of assumptions about how great he is and >how >everything was said in those mails were great stuff. Its one thing >to put >forward points opposing somebody's views - nobody has a problem >with that, but >the sophistication lies in the delivery.
*** Thanks Alpana on the spin-meister mastery compliment. Coming from you it means a lot. BTW, what I wrote are NOT assumptions. Those were my impressions, opinions, of what I saw in SoBos comments. I did not pull them out of a hat, or guessed about as SoBo's intents. My positive impressions might not cut well with you or others. That is not at all surprising. It would be if it were to be otherwise :-). But as you know, I don't present my views as god's own, or the final word presented as take-it-or-leave-it. If you or others don't like them, disagree with them, or are infuriated by them, go right ahead and register your own view points or rebut/ refute mine. That is what it is all about. You know that better than most. > You even condone his language and his utter lack of civility. *** Really? What can I say A? I will have to surrender myself to the mercy of the court of Netters to judge that :-). >C'da, its not just a matter of calling somebody "auntie" or "uncle". That >was >just an example. But I guess you just wanted to defend him to no >end, just >because he happens to share some of your views. *** Not the first time, is it? If *I* don't stand up for those who share my values and views, who would? Those who don't? Had it been a nasty fella, instead of the nice guy me, your comments could have gotten a severe drubbing, you realize that A:-)? >Bottom line C'da is this: You will try and spin this as much as you can, >but >this is (at least) one instance, where you are totally off base. :) *** You smooth talking siren you :-). You want me to believe that "--this is (at least) one instance" ? c-da > he did, IF he purposely was disguising who he is? Dilips and Dil's kids and >> ours call each others' parents by their first names. You know how close we >> are in real life, inspite of our net-spats :-). Does it mean that our kids >> don't respect the others' parents like their own? > You even condone his language and his utter lack of civility. First off, >the Dekas and you have been friends for a very long time. And even if the >children do call you by names, but as you stated they do respect you. > Doesn't that prove my point? But where on earth did you percieve any >respect that this guy was showing people "his dad's age"? Our children >have much more sense of respect, for heaven's sake, please don't equate >them to this level. C'da, its not just a matter of calling somebody >"auntie" or "uncle". That was just an example. But I guess you just wanted >to defend him to no end, just because he happens to share some of your >views. > And the slangs: I know you were attempting to hurt him, >assuming he is from >> Assam or somewhere in India, by charging that he is attempting to sound >> like an American using passe' slang. But the fact is that his slang is NOT > What "hurt" are you talking about? Slangs are slangs, whether they are >not passe' or not, they are to be used sparingly within your own "comfy" >group. The bottom line is whether the inherent respect is there - with or >without slang, and here there was slang to top it off. So, why are you >sidetracking and making it an issue of using new or old slangs, the main >point is respect which obviously was lacking there, period. > sometimes >even adults. Have you looked at the comic pages of your daily >> newspaper in recent years? That will give you a pretty good idea what is >> hip and what is not. One of my favorite one about youngsters is the >> 'zits':-) . Check the language, and then tell me if what you see there has >> any similarities with what SoBO has been using. No, I haven't the >>opportunity of looking at Doonesbury lately, I'm sure lot of water has >>gone under the bridge since. And even if I did read them regularly does >>that mean that I should use them blatantly in a civil forum? And call my >>father's friend a 'smart alec', whether it is slang or not, past or >>present? Bottom line C'da is this: You will try and spin this as much >>as you can, but this is (at least) one instance, where you are totally >>off base. :) BTW, here is the part of an article on slangs and how >>adults in (anyone over 25) Corporate America has seriously misjudged >>slang usage by youngsters in order to attract the market, published thru >>Associated Press yesterday: ------------------------------ When ad's >>`bad,' it's not good > >By MARTHA IRVINE >Associated Press > >CHICAGO - Use a little slang and you've got their attention. That seems to >be the thought in a corporate America eager to hook the younger crowd. > > > >Some sportscasters have started describing impressive plays as "sick." >Budweiser ads helped place the greeting "Whassup" in the American >lexicon. > > > >But young people say adults shouldn't even think about using lingo from >the streets, hip-hop clubs and school hallways. > > > >........... > > > >Another problem: The slang adults use is often out of date. > > > >Most adults don't know that, says Paul McFedries, creator of an online >catalog of terms called Wordspy.com. "Slang is meant to be separate," he >says. In other words, if adults are using it, it's not cool anymore. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chan Mahanta" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana Sarangapani" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ><<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, >November 18, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Fw: India Since 1947 >> Hi A: >> >> >> > There were no points in that mail other than some childish ramblings. >>what >> >issues?? there is nothing to assmue but it was made abundantly clear in >> >those mails. >> >> >> >> I might agree with you on SoBos first note. But in the second one he made >> some good points. My response earlier deals with what I saw as good points. >> Those were by no means 'childish' or 'ramblings'. The guy is very >> observant, no doubt about that. >> >> >> The assumptions I talked about dealt with the many assumptions about who >> SoBo is, where he lives, what he might be doing for a living, what his >> education level might be, if he is a "lumpen" element ( heh-heh, isn't that >> a wonderful deduction?), if he does anything productive with his time, his >> machismo with a gun, if he is good in studies or sports, his IQ level, if >> he was an ex-student leader,if his computer was purchased for him by his >> dad---ad nauseum. As if ANY of that had ANYTHING to do with the points he >> raised. >> >> >> > And you think these mails originated in the US? Which American >> >youngster/our >> >kids today would address people "his dad's age" like Hazarika, KJD and >>even >> >yourself as "dude", "smart alec" etc. This is just some "wannabe American" >> >from India. >> >> >> *** I didn't mean to imply that SoBo is a 'markhowa' youth :-). He might >> very well be an adult immigrant, living in the USA. He has carefully >> assumed a writing style, which may or may not be his real, ordinary style >> of communication with others. >> >> EVEN if he is a markhowa youth, why do you think he couldn't write the way >> he did, IF he purposely was disguising who he is? Dilips and Dil's kids and >> ours call each others' parents by their first names. You know how close we >> are in real life, inspite of our net-spats :-). Does it mean that our kids >> don't respect the others' parents like their own? >> >> >> >BTW: those young people in India who might think American slangs like >>dude, >> >Yo, etc. are very common here, I have news for you. These slangs were used >> >by youngsters a few years ago, but as soon as adults started using these, >> >they are not considered hip by teens here anymore. >> >> >> And the slangs: I know you were attempting to hurt him, assuming he is from >> Assam or somewhere in India, by charging that he is attempting to sound >> like an American using passe' slang. But the fact is that his slang is NOT >> passe' by any means. They are very much in use by American youth, and >> sometimes even adults. Have you looked at the comic pages of your daily >> newspaper in recent years? That will give you a pretty good idea what is >> hip and what is not. One of my favorite one about youngsters is the >> 'zits':-) . Check the language, and then tell me if what you see there has >> any similarities with what SoBO has been using. >> >> >> >Our kids here still (and >> >will always) address their parents' friends with respect and usually refer >> >them as "uncle" or "auntie". >> >> *** While there is nothing bad about that, it is not THE yardstick of >> approproiate or respectful behavior by any means. There are other >> appropriate ways for addressing too, as I explained earlier. >> >> >> >> >I hope it never comes to a situation where my son would be caught calling >> >some of our Assamese friends as "dude" - that would signal the ultimate >> >failure of parenting on my part and then I will have to really move to a >> >remote village in "South India" to hide myself. :) >> >> *** Personally, I have NO problem being called 'dude' :-), particularly by >> someone who I don't knowe and who does not know me. I have been called much >> worse, as you well know. And as such I won't hold that as a measure of >> civility of that person either, asgain while mutually unknown to each >> other. Nor would I hold the parents of such , stranger of a youth to be a >> failure in prenting :-). So, if for some reason Nitin addresses me as >> 'sondon', like Rupaleem or Raj do, please don't run away to South India or >> some such far off place in shame :-). >> >> >> c-da >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 9:43 PM -0600 11/18/02, Alpana Sarangapani wrote: >> >> > because he raised a voice of criticism about India, does not mean >>he is >> >> > insecure, about anything. Too many folks have chosen to ASSUME a >>lot of >> >> > stuff to get on his case, but none addressed the points he raised. >> > >> > C'da: You are absolutely wrong here. Over the years you and others have >> >spoken against India many times, but none of us in the net have ever >>talked >> >about you being insecure, etc. On the contrary, most people on the net >>have >> >always enjoyed the banter and opposing viewpoints. >> > >> > There were no points in that mail other than some childish ramblings. >>what >> >issues?? there is nothing to assmue but it was made abundantly clear in >> >those mails. >> > >> > And you think these mails originated in the US? Which American >> >youngster/our >> >kids today would address people "his dad's age" like Hazarika, KJD and >>even >> >yourself as "dude", "smart alec" etc. This is just some "wannabe American" >> >from India. >> > >> > BTW: those young people in India who might think American slangs like >>dude, >> >Yo, etc. are very common here, I have news for you. These slangs were used >> >by youngsters a few years ago, but as soon as adults started using these, >> >they are not considered hip by teens here anymore. Our kids here still >>(and >> >will always) address their parents' friends with respect and usually refer >> >them as "uncle" or "auntie". >> >I hope it never comes to a situation where my son would be caught calling >> >some of our Assamese friends as "dude" - that would signal the ultimate >> >failure of parenting on my part and then I will have to really move to a >> >remote village in "South India" to hide myself. :) >> > >> > >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Chan Mahanta" >><<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: "jayanta payeng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Assam Net" >> >> <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:47 PM >> >> Subject: Re: India Since 1947 >> >> >> >> >> >> > J: >> >> > >> >> > I don't know what insecurities you all see in Sonjib Bordoloi's note. >> >Just >> >> > because he raised a voice of criticism about India, does not mean >>he is >> >> > insecure, about anything. Too many folks have chosen to ASSUME a >>lot of >> >> > stuff to get on his case, but none addressed the points he raised. >> >> > >> >> > I doubt it is the same person as ARI, mainly because ARI's gripes were >> >the >> >> > SULFA >> >> > and kharkhowa ex-pats. But SoBo does not complain about kharkhowa >> >expats >> >> > across the board-just their defense of Indian policies, right or >>wrong. >> >> > >> >> > But I don't believe that either SoBo or ARI are residents of >>Assam. More >> >> > than likely, they are both from the USA. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > c-da >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > At 11:09 AM -0800 11/18/02, jayanta payeng wrote: >> >> > >It seems like there is a uncanny resemblence between the so >>called Real >> >> > >Assamese and ARI ( who , some summers back , tried to create a >>flutter >> >> in >> >> > >this net with some very discordant notes on the same kind of subject >> >> > >which RA floated ) . Now , I am no Sherlock Holmes . >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >The mask is same with the tag of the Real Assamese , the same >> >insecurity >> >> > >( god knows from whom ) .... >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >, grievences and the condescending attitude towards fellow netters . >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >Is it just a deja vu or mere coincidence . >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >Regards >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >JP >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >Do you Yahoo!? >> >> > > >> >>><Yahoo">http://rd.yahoo.com/hosting/mailsig/*http://webhosting.yahoo.com>Yahoo! >> >> > >Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site >> >> > >> >> >>
