> And for how long have they been terrorizing the hapless Hindu millions by > blowing up govt. offices, bridges, airports, trains, parliament houses and > so forth, rendering ALL Muslims from across the borders guilty ?
For about 30+ years! after Bangladesh was born. I don't have the statistical ratio of the terrorists to their citizens. > to defend their kin, has there been a CAUSE, from which such acts of > terrorism by the Kashmiris and their supporters arose? yes, Pakistan's involement into terrorist activities on the valley. > Those really are scary things. Particularly the name change and such :-). > Come on Alpana. Be serious now! Since when have you turned into such a > scardy-cat :-) ? >From the time that the villages of Assam got filled with illegal B'deshis which probably made the percentage 60% muslim (Barua had this figure). Seriously, many in Assam fear that. > *** How about plain good old intimidation and threats to all who are > >> Muslims, like Bikram C has been doing thru this forum? Would you condone > >> that? I get the message that if they (means the terrorists and/or the invaders, not the innocent and the 'indegenous' muslims of Assam) come to attack they are prepared. I don't condone violence but self-defense. C'da: Don't you think it is time for you to change your tinted glasses through which you can't even see and tell that terrorists destroy and that has been happening all over the world, not just in India, y/our motherland? and that Assam might be in great danger, if people there start wearing tinted glasses like some of us here in Assam Net? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chan Mahanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] A Question about Invasion and Foreign Support : > >Not the Indian muslims I talk about, but the ones from the neighboring > >countries. > > > > I see. > > > But if I am not mistaken, the RSS or its eloquent > spokespersons/philosophers like Togadia and BC don't make those > distinctions. Or did I miss something? > > > Besides, are ALL Muslims from across the borders "terrorist" ? > > > And for how long have they been terrorizing the hapless Hindu millions by > blowing up govt. offices, bridges, airports, trains, parliament houses and > so forth, rendering ALL Muslims from across the borders guilty ? > > > And in those instances of bombings and shootouts which have led to the > terrorization of all the desi-expats in the West, driving them to support > the Togadias and BCs of India, and to help raise such armies like the > Bajrang Dal > to defend their kin, has there been a CAUSE, from which such acts of > terrorism by the Kashmiris and their supporters arose? > > > > >Most importantly, the possibility of someone from B'desh, waiting to occupy > >Assam just scares me. Many in Guwahati have told me that, some even said one > >fine morning, their son named Bolen Sharma might become Bolen Ali without > >him knowing, after 20 years. > > > Those really are scary things. Particularly the name change and such :-). > Come on Alpana. Be serious now! Since when have you turned into such a > scardy-cat :-) ? > > > > BTW, would I be wrong to assign an answer to you to the question : > > *** How about plain good old intimidation and threats to all who are > >> Muslims, like Bikram C has been doing thru this forum? Would you condone > >> that? > > ---that you missed? > > My guess, is that your answer would be an unqualified NO. Right? > > > I know it was frivolous for me even to ask the question. But sometimes > these things need repeating, just so people know where we stand. Silence is > often misinterpreted as aquiescence. > > > > > > > > > At 12:49 AM -0600 4/1/04, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: > >> *** What have the Muslims been doing to the Hindus all these decdaes A, > >> that you understand their REACTION to? > > > >Not the Indian muslims I talk about, but the ones from the neighboring > >countries. Off hand, I would say the bomb-blasts in some government office > >in Kashmir and suicide attack in Indian parliament come to mind. > > > >Most importantly, the possibility of someone from B'desh, waiting to occupy > >Assam just scares me. Many in Guwahati have told me that, some even said one > >fine morning, their son named Bolen Sharma might become Bolen Ali without > >him knowing, after 20 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Chan Mahanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:37 AM > >Subject: Re: [Assam] A Question about Invasion and Foreign Support : > > > > > >> > >> Hi Alpana, > >> > >> >I don't condone RSS's 'how to plan' to treat violence with violence, but > >I > >> >also >have the opinion that they are reacting to what they have been > >given > >> >for >decades, and anybody would react to defend him/herself. > >> > >> > >> *** How about plain good old intimidation and threats to all who are > >> Muslims, like Bikram C has been doing thru this forum? Would you condone > >> that? > >> > >> > >> > >> >but I also >have the opinion that they are reacting to what they have > >been > >> >given for >decades, and anybody would react to defend him/herself. > >> > >> > >> *** What have the Muslims been doing to the Hindus all these decdaes A, > >> that you understand their REACTION to? > >> > >> > >> I thought in a civilized nation with a democratic government, there are > >> legal recourses to illegal activities such as what you allude to and imply > >> that Muslims have been doing to all the suffering Hindu masses? What > >> happened to that? I hear in this net all the protestations to how nothing > >> is worng in Indian governance. > >> > >> Something is awry here isn't it? Aren't these totally contradictory > >assertions? > >> > >> > >> c-da > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> At 9:19 AM -0600 3/31/04, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: > >> >Good to know that, Barua. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >I included myself because of being both on this net in that discussion > >> >and an "ex-patriate" who put forwarded arguments against the > >philosophical > >> >talk on why the ex-patriates act differently when it comes to treating > >the > >> >minorities back home when they try to get "equal right" in America. I > >> >already explained in another mail what the difference was. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >I consider these minorities as much Indian as anybody and yes, if they > >> >are legally in India, they should get "equal rights". And if they aren't > >> >legal or are involved in terrorist activities, they need to be kicked out > >> >just like the countries mentioned like UK/USA would do if one's visa is > >> >expired. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >I participate and try to find logic in discussions where the > >"secularists" > >> >defend the "minorities" even when they are involved in violent > >activities, > >> >or when they are enjoying the same privileges as any other citizens in > >> >India are. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >I don't condone RSS's 'how to plan' to treat violence with violence, but > >I > >> >also have the opinion that they are reacting to what they have been given > >> >for decades, and anybody would react to defend him/herself. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >From: "Barua25" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" > >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Assam] A Question about > >> >Invasion and Foreign Support : >Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:22:29 -0600 > > >> >>Alpana: >I was referring as 'these Indian expartriats' because I was > >> >referring only >to those who >" find in RSS something to revive their > >lost > >> >identity" .... > These fossil expatriats live in Amreaica rather as > >> >critics..." > >I was not including in these group you, me or Santanu and > >> >many of us unless >you claim to belong to this group. >I definitely do > >not > >> >belong to any of the above two, that is why I could not >say 'we > >> >expatriats' >Barua > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alpana B. > >> >Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Barua25" > >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Roy, Santanu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >"Ankur Barua" > >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED] peak.uccs.edu> >Sent: Tuesday, > >> >March 30, 2004 10:41 PM >Subject: Re: [Assam] A Question about Invasion > >> >and Foreign Support : > > > > > distorted that identity is. These fossil > >> >expatriats live in Amreaica > > rather > > > as critics, they actually do > >> >not live their lives in the country of >their > > > > At least Santanu > >> >made it look like he included himself in these group of > > fossils, > >> >Barua. You didn't even do that! You are 'akhoop sora' :). You > > bluntly > >> >said "these fossils" meaning you are above these fossils. Well, at > > > >> >least you wrote what you thought/think of yourself! > > > > > > > > >children > >> >shall mess up the 'Assamese' gene-pool through > > > > > > >> >inter-racial-inter-religious relationships brings them into > > > > > an > >> >unholy nexus > > > > > with the RSS with its hyperbole of a similar > >mix-up > >> >back at home. > > > > Do! you think that "fear" of their children > >loosing > >> >their Assamese-ness > > equals to the fear of their loved ones back home > >> >being minorities, >tortured > > and forcefully converted into another > >> >religion? > > > > >very contradictory one : far away from home they > >demand > >> >equal rights with > > >the Hispanic, Black and White sections of the > >> >population from a foreign > > >government, but when it comes to voting > >> >back at home they support >precisely > > >a group that is hell-bent on > >> >denying such rights to a substantial > > proportion > > >of the > >> >population.<< > > > > Denying if they are illegal. In these western > >> >countries that you are > > boasting about giving "equal rights", forget > >> >voting rights you will be > > kicked out if your visa expires - you won't > >> >even get a citizenship even if > > you are born in some of these > >> >countries. How many Bangladeshis or >Pakistanis > &! gt; you have seen > >> >being kicked out of India, even when they are suspected of > > terrorist > >> >activities? Well how could you, the 'guri-dhoruta' of our state > > will > >> >come running to defend them in the name of 'human rights', even after > > > >> >they take away the right to live from many others. > > > > I would rather > >> >stay as fossil instead of following some others who try to > > wear the > >> >'moirar pakhi on a kaurir' body. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original > >> >Message ----- > > From: "Barua25" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Roy, > >> >Santanu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ankur Barua" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:27 PM > > > >> >Subject: Re: [Assam] A Question about Invasion and Foreign Support : > > > >> > >> >> > > > >We expatriates are, perhaps, just fossils. What more could you > >> >ask of >us? >! > > Santanu: > > > Your observation is so correct. One > >can > >> >write volumes on this subject. > > > In contunuation of the same line of > >> >thinking one will find that these > > > fossils probably find in RSS > >> >something to revive their lost identity > > howver > > > distorted that > >> >identity is. These fossil expatriats live in Amreaica > > rather > > > as > >> >critics, they actually do not live their lives in the country of >their > > >> >> > adoptation. I hope this is a problem only of the first generation > >> >>Indians. > > > Barua > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: > >> >"Roy, Santanu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Ankur Barua" > >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, > >> >March 30, 2004 2:46 PM > > > Subject: RE: [Assam] A Question about > >> >Invasion and Foreign Support : > > > > > > ! t; > > > Dear Ankur: > > > > > >> >> > > > I think you are absolutely right - particularly, when you point > >> >out: > > > > > > > > > I have a suspicion > > > > > (how founded or > >> >unfounded is for you to say) that they see in > > > > > the false > > > > > >> >> sense of anxiety created by the RSS a reflection of their own > > > > > > >> >anxiety of > > > > > living in a Latin-Hispanic-Black-White multicultural > >> >society. > > > > > That is, now > > > > > as the next generation grows up > >> >in such an environment they > > > > > are afraid that > > > > > their own > >> >children shall lose their distinctive > > > > > 'Assamese-ness', and > >hence > >> >> > > > > the parallel RSS claim that Indians shall lose their > > > > > > >> >'Indian-ness' has a > > > > > strong appealing ! force to them. > >> >Consequently, the fear that their >own > > > > > children shall mess up > >> >the 'Assamese' gene-pool through > > > > > inter-racial-inter-religious > >> >relationships brings them into > > > > > an unholy nexus > > > > > with > >> >the RSS with its hyperbole of a similar mix-up back at home. > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > Regarding your very important question: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Now of course I wish to emphasise that much of this is > > > > > > >largely > >> >conjecture : > > > > > what I would really like to know is what exactly > >> >turns UK/USA > > > > > ex-patriates, > > > > > who of all people should > >> >have had sufficient experience by > > > > > now of living in > > > > > a > >> >multi-cultural White-Hispanic-Black society, into > > > > > supporters of > >> >! a group > > > > > that challenges this very notion of > >multi-culturalism. > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > I think there is no simple answer yet. But two > >> >forces are worth > > > recognizing: > > > > > > > > 1. Most of the Indian > >> >expatriates in the US that are such ardent > > > supporters of the so > >> >called "Hindutva" political cult do not actually >have > > > what you > >call > >> >"sufficient experience of living in a multi-cultural > > > > >> >white-hispanic-black society". They live extremely segregated lives with > >> > >> >> two > > > spheres of interaction - one professional where they interact > >> >with >whites > > > and a sprinkling of Asians, the other social-domestic > >> >in which they >mostly > > > interact with other Indian expatriates. They > >> >ignore the underlying >social > > > dynamics and tensions of the society > >> >in which they live in & remain! > > > connected, for example, to a > >> >universe of Indian television channels & > > > Bollywood movies - that > >> >hardly provides any window into the society they > > > live in. Most of > >> >them see their place in society as just below the > > whites - > > > and > >> >they are happy to think of society in this race-hierarchical fashion > > > >> >for > > > that gives them the comfort of being better than somebody. > > > >> > >> >> > > > > Their progenies are of course exposed much more to the world > >> >they live > > in > > > and face the dilemma between the extremely > >> >distorted world view provided > > by > > > their parents which they are > >> >supposed to adopt as their real "identity" > > and > > > the real world > >> >outside as seen through their schooling and friends which > > is > > > > >> >different and alas, sometimes not too comfortable either. If they go for > >> > >> >> the > ! > > former, they often end up adopting caricatures of the views > >> >their >parents > > > hold - manipulated much more easily by written > >> >propaganda material which > > > they take at face value, their zeal is > >> >more genuine and their > > understanding, > > > even further removed from > >> >the reality of a country they have little to >do > > > with. > > > > > > > >> > >> >> 2. Partly because of (1), a very large number of expatriates stop > > > > >> >"growing" after they leave their home country. I have met countless > >> >>Indian > > > men and women abroad who often gave me the feeling of > >acting > >> >and saying >in > > a > > > manner not befitting the wisdom that their age > >> >should have brought >them - > > > and then I started playing this game - > >I > >> >asked them their year of >arrival > > in > > > the US, closed my eyes and > >> >thought of the people as they would have been >! > at > > > that point - > >> >and wonder of wonders, the words & thoughts blended >perfectly > > > with > >> >the persona. We expatriates are, perhaps, just fossils. What more > > > >> >could > > > you ask of us? > > > > > > > > Good luck - > > > > > > > > > >> >Santanu Roy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Assam > >> >mailing list > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >> >http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam > > > > > > > > Mailing > >> >list FAQ: > > > > http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html > > > > > >> >To unsubscribe or change options: > > > > > >> >http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam > > ! t; > > > > > > > > >> >_______________________________________________ > > > Assam mailing list > >> > >> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> >http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam > > > > > > Mailing list > >> >FAQ: > > > http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html > > > To > >> >unsubscribe or change options: > > > > >> >http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam > > > > > > >> > <http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2749??PS=>Check out MSN PC Safety & Security > >> >to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >Assam mailing list > >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam > >> > > >> >Mailing list FAQ: > >> >http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html > >> >To unsubscribe or change options: > >> >http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
