Jugal-da,
I am no expert in US history but I do know what happened to Southern states when they tried to break away from the United States of America. Lincoln died but managed to keep the country united.
Umesh
J Kalita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
J Kalita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Umesh,
No state in America is demanding to get away. If it did, there would be
a problem that will need to be addressed. For example, no one in New
York is making claims that the USA is undermining their identity or
working actively working toward destroying the New York identity and
culture and hence seeking independence or sovereignty. If ten out of 50
states of the USA did, there would be a problem that would need solving.
Many in Assam and the Northeast and Kashmir have been clamoring for
sovereignty, independence, autonomy and the like precisely because of
an historical sense of independence, national pride and lately because
of fears of loss of identity being inundated with enormous outside
influences in terms of change of demographics, stealing of resources,
undue and all-encompassing outside cultural and other forc! es. Tens,
possibly hundreds of thousands of people have died, billions of rupees
have been spent to address the issues in ways that have not yielded
solution. The demands for autonomy, sovereignty or independence have
survived for 50-60 or more years. So, it's a real problem unlike that
we find in the USA. It's a clash of nations--India vs. Assam Nation,
India vs. Manipur Nation, India vs. Kashmir Nation, etc. Being
militarily strong India has won so far. But, continued military
solution is counter-productive for everyone. So, the problem needs to
be addressed afresh, in an out-of-the box kind of manner, in
uncoventional ways examining why past law-and-order, army-based
solutions have failed again and again. If the Assam Nation or Manipur
Nation or Kashmir Nation was coerced or duped or just made a part of
modern India without consultation, or even they willed before for
inclusion but now they have been seeking re-examination of! the
status-quo for 30-40-50 years, there is merit to such demands and they
shouldn't be treated as some rustics or ignorants or children or some
people who don't know what's best for them. The point is India has not
succeeded in making many within its current borders part and parcel of
itself despite having them within its borders for 50+ years. So, I
don't see a problem in analyzing the current situation and seeing
things need to be corrected.
Jugal Kalita
On Friday, December 10, 2004, at 04:46 PM, umesh sharma wrote:
> Jugal-da,
>
> I beg to differ from you. You speak as if Indian nation is composed of
> one race and one language - I may remind you that India is NOT USA -in
> that sense.
>
> Each state has its own grouse, since each is different. Even "rich"
> Punjab had its grouse -and the insurgents raised their head. Rajasthan
> is thirsting for water and P! unjab doesn't want to give any.
>
> In USA too so many states have their grouses. I'm told Alabama still
> flies the Confederate flag etc
>
> Infact each village and each house and each family has its grouses. In
> the family each member has grouses.
>
> Does it mean that we all cut away from each other?
>
> Umesh
>
> J Kalita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> So Rajiv, before you blame the ULFA and the demand for sovereignty for
> all ills, reflect and
> see what Indian rule to Assam has wrought. It has brought the Assam
> Nation to almost decimation. Part of that is
> the fault of those who constitute the Assam Nation, but I believe most
> of the reasons for the decimation of the
> Assam Nation identity lies with actions (such as division of Assam,
> encouraging insurgency when it suits
> its purpose, making Assam youth k! ill each other by creating SULFA and
> arming them, not stopping immigration from Bangladesh, encouraging
> immigration from India, steeping Assam in the corruption mode imitating
> oBihar and other Indian states, use of a repressive Hindi-speaking
> Army, complete cultural domination by Hindi media/entertainment leading
> to a lack of respect for and opportunities in the native languages, and
> a complete lack of concern for the survival of identity of the
> constituents of the Assam Nation, etc.) of the supremely powerful
> Indian Government compared to the current powers of the Assam Nation.
> The Indian Government simply doesn't care and actually would like to
> accelerate the destruction of the Assam identity so that Indian
> identity can flourish. I am completely opposed to this goal of the
> Indian Nation and that is why I ask for sovereignty of the Assam
> Nation. Let the Indian Nation show goodwil! l, then I will reciprocate.
> If you are a mouthpiece of the Indian Nation, tell me what it has done
> and will do for the benefit of the Assam Nation!
>
> Please be balanced on your views regarding sovereignty of the Assam
> Nation. It is necessary for our survival. If you don't feel that you
> are an interested party in the survival, growth and continued
> flourishing of the Assam Nation, you don't understand the problem and
> you are not qualified to talk on behalf of the Assam Nation.
>
> Jugal Kalita
> Colorado
>
> On Friday, December 10, 2004, at 01:02 AM, Rajib Das wrote:
>
> > Fair enough! There are enough rants against India
> > happening anyway on this board.
> >
> > But the questions I have asked in this post - about
> > their idealogy, the definitiveness of their vision -
> > are these pertinent or are these rants?
> >
> ! > I am not a fan of the Indian bureacracy. In the years
> > since the first promises of revolutions in our region,
> > however, much has changed. People in other regions
> > somehow have seized the moment and moved forward -
> > inspite of what some may call a debilitating system.
> > We have remained mired in old shibboleths. Our local
> > leadership within the Indian system and without (in
> > equal measure) is devoid of any vision. And yet, there
> > is never much serious discussion on it.
> >
> > Almost as if this "sovereignity" thing is a sacred god
> > in itself. Or for the rest of us a false god!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- J Kalita wrote:
> >
> >> Rajib,
> >>
> >> Why do you keep on ranting against the ULFA only?
> >> You should rant
>! >> against the Indian Army who kill and torture
> >> innocents in large numbers
> >> and Indian bureaucrats (the establishment) who are
> >> mostly all corrupt
> >> to the bone in the same breath to have any semblance
> >> of reasonableness
> >> in your writings.
> >>
> >> Jugal
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thursday, December 9, 2004, at 06:36 PM, Rajib
> >> Das wrote:
> >>
> >>>> And ULFA was NOT 'discredited' when it emerged.
> >> Even
> >>>> now it is
> >>>> discredited only in certain circles. ULFA could
> >> not
> >>>
> >>> "Certain circles" indeed! Innocent civilians
> >> bombed
> >>> out and the level of extortion and the money
> >> hoarded
> >>> in Bangladesh are some! what universal yardsticks
> >> for
> >>> defining discredited or not.
> >>>
> >>> In any case we are talking about the future and
> >> the
> >>> system for it. Not about what ULFA was 20 years
> >> back.
> >>> About what it is today and what it is capable of
> >>> tommorow versus what the current system is today
> >> and
> >>> what it is capable of tomorrow.
> >>>
> >>> So what is the verdict on the following about ULFA
> >> AS
> >>> THINGS STAND TODAY:
> >>> a. Its capability to define the "sovereign" nation
> >> it
> >>> is fighting for
> >>> b. Its capability or defined vision in terms of
> >> how it
> >>> will govern the sovereign nation in a way that is
> >>> fundamental! ly better than what it is today?
> >>> c. Its defined idealogy and the committment of its
> >>> cadre to its idealogy?.
> >>> d. Its capability to wage war "successfully"
> >>> e. And to cut it short, its record of respecting
> >>> people's opinion?
> >>>
> >>> Then there is the small point about whether it
> >> does
> >>> indeed represent the sovereign nation it has
> >> defined
> >>> for itself?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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