I like your optimism in the face of overwhelming odds. That is brave :-).
Now if you could persuade AASU with a concrete example or two for your optimism, perhaps they will disband the Oxom Xena and will instead focus on raising a Xaanti Bahini
c-da
At 12:09 PM -0800 12/22/04, ram Sarangapani wrote:
C' da,We all know how corruption is killing our people. But there is no dearth of copying that behavior, and now accepting as normal as well, is there?
I agree, but it still doesn't make it right, just because its universally held so in India.
If Shiv Senas were not 'successful', then how did they end up being king-makers Ram? How did Bal Thakre and his cronies hold the last govt. in ransom,
We have king-makers in this country too. Else how is it possible for a majority of Americans to buy into this charade, not once, but twice. In India, the BJP was booted out, inspite of all the king-making by the populace. People like Thakre jockey into positions of power by intimidation and bribery - it doesn't make them saints. And polititcians will sleep with any thug if it helps them get elected.
> >and file lawsuits at the same time (state >>rights) where necessary as corrrections. *** Have you been smoking the wrong stuff again Ram :-)? It sounds worse than an ordinary dream.
Heh!heh! That I have been. How else would one put up all these things going amok around you:).
Ultimately, the judiciary in India does prevail.We have some extremely good lawyers from Assam who are in the Supreme Court. One of them, a good friend of mine, in fact, represents Assam in most of her cases against the Center. State rights are now being discussed quite openly (not to be confused with independence).
And , I believe, that organizations like the AASU do have the clout and political will to engage in some lawsuits against the Center. They can actually make the State Govt. focus of serious issues where the Center has wronged the state, and lawsuits could be filed. If nothing else, it would get the Center's attention and maybe it will think twice before it makes a similar mistake.
--Ram
--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> institutions, are paralyzed and ineffective inRam:
> >I think we are all guilt of emulating others at one >time or another. No sin there.
*** I agree. I would much rather copy something good than stick with something bad , ugly or unproductive.
> >The Shiv Sena has had a history of being violent, >>parochial,etc. If that is success, for whom is it? >>Certainly not for Maharastrians, businesses, and for >the country as a whole.
*** While you are right in its roots, that is not how it works. We all know how corruption is killing our people. But there is no dearth of copying that behavior, and now accepting as normal as well, is there?
If Shiv Senas were not 'successful', then how did they end up being king-makers Ram? How did Bal Thakre and his cronies hold the last govt. in ransom, having helped them with reaching their goal - of being in power at Delhi? Was that NOT considered a huge success by even India's best, not to mention many of our own netter friends?
Yes, the difference here does lie in the definition of success. But what you or I may define success as not necessarily what it is understood or accepted as in either India or Assam.
>Now, is that what AASU wants to emulate?
*** I don't know that. But with a name like Sena, does carry militant connotations, even though it does not necessarily have to be an armed rebellion.
The point we have to note, is that these kids are frustrated at not seeing results they would like to see. Obviously the normal, civilproducing it. So they decided that it was time, AGAIN, to get tough.
> >and file lawsuits at the same time (state >>rights) where necessary as corrrections.
*** Have you been smoking the wrong stuff again Ram :-)? It sounds worse than an ordinary dream.
c-da
At 8:13 AM -0800 12/22/04, ram Sarangapani wrote: >C'da > >>* Why is AASU copying Shiv Sena or even Ranvir >> Sena? One answer is that these Senas have been >>successful in whatever they might have attempted to >> achieve.If they had been failures, they would not be >>emulated. Would they ? > > >To answer your first question - I would attempt this. >First, AASU may not have actually intended to copy. >And even if they did that itself is not a problem. >I think we are all guilt of emulating others at one >time or another. > >But your idea that Shiv Sena is/was successful -- >thats a huge stretch. >How do you measure success? What are the standards. >The Shiv Sena has had a history of being violent, >parochial,etc. If that is success, for whom is it? >Certainly not for Maharastrians, businesses, and for >the country as a whole. > >Now, is that what AASU wants to emulate? The name >itself is no big deal. And we have had some >experiences ourselves (about names, for our yearly >Kharkhowa meets :)). What matters is the underlying >intent, and the people behind such senas. > >If AASA is able to convince us (in the future) all >that this new sena has been good for Assam, its >people, and has also been peaceful, then there may be >a more positive meaning to the word Sena. >The proof is in the pudding. > >>* If that is true, then we have to ask first WHY >> these 'senas' were born, and HOW they succeeded, >>partially at least? > >Senas can be born for a variety of reasons (of >frustrations). Many a time these are legit. The more >important question to ask is, what approach is this >sena going to take? The violent ULFA way, or a >peaceful, but formidiable force, that can protest >peacefully, and file lawsuits at the same time (state >rights) where necessary as corrrections. > >--Ram >--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Ram, >> >> >> But how can you have Xaanti, if you have no Mukti >> :-)? BTW, B'desh >> had both, Mukti Bahini and later Shanti Bahini. I >> think their armed >> forces are still called Shanti Bahini. > > >> >> >> But seriously, I think it really does not matter >> what the movement is >> called. It is a false issue. The real issue is: >> >> >> * Why is AASU copying Shiv Sena or even Ranvir >> Sena? >> >> >> One answer is that these Senas have been successful >> in >> whatever they might have attempted to >> achieve.If they had been >> failures, they would not be emulated. Would >> they ? >> >> >> * If that is true, then we have to ask first WHY >> these 'senas' >> were born, and HOW they succeeded, partially at >> least? >> >> >> Now that would be a worthwhile exercise, wouldn't >> it. But it will >> also mean we will have to delve into issues that we >> are so very >> allergic to. Who needs that :-)? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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