Damn these Indians!!! They don't know how to think for themselves, have no idea about how to govern. No brains. The inability to communicate what changes they seek. They never had before, they don't have it now and they will never have. It is in their genes. When they don't seek any changes or when they do indeed seek some others, they are being stupid. When they mumble inanities to inane questions they are being stupid twice over. Anything good in governance or economy they have done is a fluke. How did so many duffers gather in one place?
They need others in other parts of the world such as St. Louis to instruct them how to lead their lives. So why did these guys in St. Louis and other places in America take 300 years to figure out that segregation is a bad thing? And why of all things, does evolution versus creationism takes so much political space? Damn!! :-) >*** I have read maybe one or two articles at most arguing in favor >of widespread and radical reforms, in these last ten years or so of >my web-surfing life. I realize that means little. But one can also >make educated guesses about the desire for such among the >desi-population or among the ex-pats. Among the desis, it is totally >absent, the concept seems completely alien. Had that been there, >young and otherwise informed people like Mridul, who are energetic >about contributing their fair share to the collective good, would >not make the kind of arguments they do. And we have seen these >arguments in Assam Net umpteen times. > >When one poses such questions as "how do you see things turned >around", they become speechless, they mumble inanities about how >democracy is imperfect and other garbled gobledy-gook. You have >already heard the well-worn cliche: " We are like that only". If >asked WHY people in India are 'like that only', they would explain >'our people are bad', Assamese are bad, Indiansare bad, Gujaratis >are REALLY bad, and so forth. And if you get real mean and ask them >how they remained good while their desi compatriots are all bad, >they slink away to get another drink to bury their sorrows in, or >play no-comprendo or begin to wax pseudo-philosophical. > >However Ram, you can defend yourself well if you can pull a couple >of articles from your research or archives and post them in Assam >Net. I will accept the notion that even such a small sampling would >establish a trend, even though it would be only voo-doo statistics >at best. Being the ever generous person I am, I would also let you >post your own arguments where you might have made some credible >arguments, explaining the whys and hows of such reforms. > > >But until such time, I shall not back down on my assessment, and I >shall bear the mighty burden of being charged with 'displaying utter >disdain for all things desi', like I have always done with quiet >dignity and the strength of my aging and drooping shoulders. > > >>More autonomy for states has always been accepted by many people >>for the Indian >democracy. But this should in no way be construed >>as 'sovereignity'. Right now >we do not see any valid arguments >>for a sovereign Assam - politically or >practically. > > >*** Now for the juicy part, the petit-sirloin, to bite into: > >I remember that. And I certainly admire such broadmindedness. But >there is a little catch here, it could 22, could be 23. It is to >expose that little catch that I posed the question to " mwr Oxom >Netor manoniyo bondhuxokolok, ji-xokole >oti-bibesonaxilotare aru modhyostotare 'swayttwo xaxon'r proxongxa >kori adori loboloi issa prokax korisil: Apwnalwkok kiyo 'oxomor >babe' swayotto xaxon lage'? Apwnalwkor monot kiyo oxomok swaytooto >xaxon lage, jar obihone oxomot xanti aru unnotir probol byaghat >ghoti ahise ba bhobisytot ghotibo? Pise mwrei durbhagyo, uttorot >kewol mwr xadharonote xobak bondhuborgoi hoy amta-amta korile, nohoy >nimati koinar rup loi swsa mari rwh ghorot xwmalgoi eke' kwbe'." > >( This will be hard to translate, but I will try. TGIF after all: I >posed the question" Why do you want autonomy for Assam, without >which it either cannot >achieve peace or continue on a path of progress? But it was my >misfortune, that when I posed the question, my otherwise articulate >and honorable opponents in these debates, either resorted to >inscrutable platitudes or took umbrage at my >asking nasty questions.) > > >But I won't hold my friends in suspense for ever: I asked the >question to lead us to the next possible eventuality: What if any >possible 'autonomy' would not come with the freedom to enact >effective reforms in the many significant areas, such as the >electoral process, the system of law enforcement and justice, >getting rid of outdated and unenforceable laws and regulations whose >only function is to continue to empower corruption,power to >prioritize development, the control of resources, authority to levy >taxes, usher-in enlightened development and economic policies, so on >and so forth? > >Without those it will amount to little more than 'kona-haanhok >potan dhan diya". And why am I suspicious of such? Because the >examples of fakery, of promising the world but never delivering, so >abound the history of Center Assam relations. > >Would my esteemed Assam Net opponents still be satisfied with such >'make-believe autonomy' ? And if not what what would their options >be after they gave away their shop? > >Would they continue to echo such vacuous slogans like ">do not see >any valid arguments for a sovereign Assam - politically or >practically." > >That is my question for the patriotically hog-tied, but inwardly and >silently reform-minded opponents of Assam Net. > > >>But the question seems to be that this notion of peace hasn't even >>sunk into >some of our brilliant netters. > >Could it be because they are blinded by the brilliance of their own >light? Or could it be that they are still remaining mired in old >fashioned and outdated pursuits of attempting to figure what came >first: The breach of the peace due to a dire need for a reformed >governance with real powers to have an effective say in their >futures, or the eventuality of autonomy or reform that could not >come >unless there is peace. > >That my esteemed friends is the conundrum YOU ALL have to resolve. >For my little >kharkhowa mind cannot fathom the depths of such deep and mysterious >subjects. Not in this life anyway. > >c-da :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > >At 7:05 PM +0000 3/25/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote: >>C'da, >> >> > *** I have no problem with your respect for Indian democracy. >>However it ought NOT to be a >blind one. That because it is Indian, >>its flaws ought to be overlooked or hidden, or its failures and >> >shortcomings ought to be accepted as inevitable. >> >>Over the years we have discussed this in some for ot the other. >>That the Indian Democracratic practice needs an overhaul is not >>'news'. > > >> People with interest in India have always advocated some reform >>or the other. And no one is accepting these flaws as inevitable. If >>one were to assume that 'Indians accept these flaws as inevitable' >>then it only shows the utter contempt and disdain some have for >>anything 'Indian'. >> >> >That is why I advocate at least an autonomy, if not sovereignty, >>for various constituencies of >the union. particularly Assam, to >>allow them to change, re-tool their system of governments, >> >democratically, but in ways that would allow people to hold its >>govts. accountable, to enable it >to manage the affairs of state in >>modern ways, by picking the best practices and putting in >place >>that man has devised so far. >> >>More autonomy for states has always been accepted by many people >>for the Indian democracy. But this should in no way be construed as >>'sovereignity'. Right now we do not see any valid arguments for a >>sovereign Assam - politically or practically. >> >>**However I must add that such changes do not have to be via arms >>and violence. Long term planning and gradual change should be the >>guiding principles,** -- DD >> >>That is correct. But the question seems to be that this notion of >>peace hasn't even sunk into some of our brilliant netters. What are >>the chances for other people to understand this. Unless there is >>peace in Assam, it is unlikely there will even be a chance for some >>kind of autonomy. >> >>--Ram >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Assam mailing list >Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu >http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam > >Mailing list FAQ: >http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html >To unsubscribe or change options: >http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam > _______________________________________________ > Assam mailing list > Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu > http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam > > Mailing list FAQ: > http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html > To unsubscribe or change options: > http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. 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