C'da, > That has nothing to do with the issue at hand Ram
I brought it up, because there too, you have people (practioners) who are willing to follow what the Founders wrote, to the letter, and then there are those who would like to change things around to suit needs. So, whether it is the scriptures or the Const. it all boils down to who the practioners are. On 7/22/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Incidently, it the same when adhering to the US Constitution. There > >are these 'Originalists' and then there are those > >'Constructionalists'. Looks like the Originalists are wining,and can > >expect to maintain that lead for the next 40 years or so. > > > > > That has nothing to do with the issue at hand Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 10:50 AM -0500 7/22/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > >C'da, > > > >But enlightened versions ought to be the handbooks for the > >practitioners. Not just to "---satisfy the sensibilities of different > >groups", but because anything less ought to be shameful for anyone > >who would pay any heed to them. > > > >Whether they are 'enlightened versions' or not, they are always meant > >for practioners. And, as I mentioned earlier, not all that is written > >is followed. This reference to 'beatings' is obviously NOT followed by > >a overwhelming majority of practising Hindus in today's day & age. > >Practioners pick & choose, and interpretations are in the end, left to > >the practioners (to suit their own needs). > > > >Incidently, it the same when adhering to the US Constitution. There > >are these 'Originalists' and then there are those > >'Constructionalists'. Looks like the Originalists are wining,and can > >expect to maintain that lead for the next 40 years or so. > > > >--Ram > > > > > >On 7/22/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >So, they came up with the New Testament, and versions of the Bible > >> >(King James etc). Maybe the Hindus too should come up with a newer > >> >(more acceptable versions) of scriptures to satisfy the sensibilities > >> >of different groups. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> **** For some strange reason I think that is exactly what the demand > >> means. I couldn't, if I wanted to, see how it could mean suggesting > >> going burning the books that had this stuff in it already. > >> > >> But enlightened versions ought to be the handbooks for the > >> practitioners. Not just to "---satisfy the sensibilities of different > >> groups", but because anything less ought to be shameful for anyone > >> who would pay any heed to them. > >> > >> But perhaps them touchy dalits, women and illiterates would go along > >> with the option of the custodians of the faith to eat it as 'jiji', > >> if not 'maas', as a compromise to satisfy the sensibilities of the > >> touchy ones. > >> > >> I tell you, this PC thing is nasty isn't it? It is everywhere :-). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> At 10:18 AM -0500 7/22/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > >> >Bad as it looks, let whats written in the scriptures be there. As DD > >> >says, they ought to be a part of the history. > >> > > >> >Further, even though (beating of Dalits, women & dogs) may be written > >> >in the scriptures, obviously the majority of the Hindus are NOT > >> >following it. Here, personal behavior is what needs to be accountable. > >> > > >> >Reminds one of the Old Testament. There are many references in the OT, > >> >if read today, would be considered racial, against women etc etc. > >> > > >> >So, they came up with the New Testament, and versions of the Bible > >> >(King James etc). Maybe the Hindus too should come up with a newer > >> >(more acceptable versions) of scriptures to satisfy the sensibilities > >> >of different groups. > >> > > >> >-- Ram > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >On 7/22/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> Nowhere in the report does it say that someone is expecting > >>the expunging of > >> >> 'dalit slur' as a constitutional duty. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> The reference to the constitution was obviously to underscore > >>the fact that > >> >> '--Constitution giving equal rights to all", meaning Dalits or > >> women,or > >> >> illiterates are fit to be 'beaten' -- an enlightened bit of Hindu > >> >> civilization no doubt-- is not something the Constitution > >>approves of. How > > > >> therefore can the scriptures of the dominant religion, > >aspiring to become > >> >> the state religion at that, could continue to publish such garbage?. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> The demand to expunge is to the custodians of Hinduism. > >>Apparently one of > > > >> the Sankaracharyyas is supportive of the idea. Being such a > >controversial > >> >> notion the others may or may not go along. After all it is one > >>of Hinduism's > >> >> proud legacies, fit to be preserved as History even though not > >> preached > >> >> overtly to be practised. But being a part of the authentic > >>scriptures, the > >> >> true believers could be free to practise in the privacy of > >>their own homes. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> That too could be another interpretation, couldn't it? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> At 6:59 AM -0700 7/22/05, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote: > >> >> I realize it is a touchy subject - separating scriptures from the > >> >> constitution in the minds of the average citizen. What do > >>scriptures have to > >> >> do with the functioning of democracy in India? Indian > >>constitution does not > >> >> make any reference to the scriptures. Does it? > >> >> > >> >> Let the scriptures remain in the history of India. One cannot erase > >> the > >> >> past. The thrust should be in correcting the past mistakes in > >>real life and > >> >> that needs to be started in the interior areas of Bihar, UP, Gujarat, > >> >> Tamilnadu and wherever else it is deeply rooted. > >> >> > >> >> Dilip Deka > >> >> > >> >> umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> 'Delete Dalit slur from scriptures' > >> >> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1178311.cms > >> >> > >> >> NEW DELHI: Delete "objectionable references" to Dalits from > >>the scriptures > >> >> if you want to intensify the fight against untouchability, says > >> National > >> >> Commission for Scheduled Castes chairman Suraj Bhan. > >> > > > >> >> Bhan claims he has the blessings of the Sankaracharya of > >>Sringeri Mutt has > >> >> for his demand and he will soon meet other Sankaracharyas to > >>garner support > >> >> for his cause. > >> >> Addressing a press conference on Tuesday, Bhan said that references > >> like > >> >> dhol ganwar shudra pashu nari, sakal tadan ke adhikari (drum, > >>illiterate, > >> >> Dalit, animal, women, all are fit only to be beaten) in Ramcharitmanas > >> >> should not be allowed in print in a society with a > >>Constitution giving equal > >> >> rights to all. > >> >> > >> >> He said fresh edited versions of these scriptures should be brought > >> out. > >> >> Bhan said the Commission will hold conferences in all the states to > >> >> "generate awakening" on the subject. > >> >> > >> >> In a bid to garner support for his endeavour, Bhan met the > >>religious head of > >> >> the Sringeri seat earlier last week. "He has agreed to support > >>my cause and > >> >> asked me to speak to other Sankaracharyas on this issue and then a > >> joint > >> >> appeal can be made," he said. > >> >> > >> >> Saying that Dalits were still subject to discrimination, Bhan said > >> >> atrocities against them were continuing to rise despite government's > >> >> attempts to control them. He said eight Dalits were killed in > >>police custody > >> >> last year. "The same story exists in all states," he said. > >> >> > >> >> Recalling tales of tsunami survivors from upper castes refusing to > >> share > >> >> relief camps with Dalits, Bhan lamented, "Untouchability was > >>in their minds > >> >> despite having come back from the jaws of death. > >> >> ________________________________ > >> >> > >> >> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday > >>snaps for FREE > >> >> with Yahoo! Photos. 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