And there is the rub: "... if documented, maintained and supported by training and management guidelines". Too many shops have no such support system in place, nor the requisite team to perform the documentation and maintenance. IOW no one wants to pay for a "programmers' tools team".
I have never understood why there is so little support for a tools team when the payback in productivity and speed-to-market (which can certainly be measured in real money) is so pronounced. Peter -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Stokes Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 5:56 AM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: Macros -- was: EDit mask for floating minus (negative) Probably best to ignore certain individuals who rather seem to like to be insulting, but of course not personally. On the whole they don't do much for most discussions, other than beating their own drum. I think Steve is talking about different people/groups basically doing their own thing and ending up with lots of probably undocumented little macros, and I agree that that is worse than useless for the wider world. OTOH one can develop suites of macros to implement higher level functions, frameworks etc. which if documented, maintained and supported by training and management guidelines can be very useful for larger developments. Where would we be without IBM system macros, after all? One can extend them with further really useful functionality and save a lot of repetitive development effort. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] Im Auftrag von Sharuff Morsa3 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Juli 2014 11:36 An: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Betreff: Re: Macros -- was: EDit mask for floating minus (negative) I work regularly with Steve. It is, and has been, a please and a delight. I've always respected his views, many of which I agree with. Sharuff > > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 16:35:36 -0400 > From: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU > Subject: Re: Macros -- was: EDit mask for floating minus (negative) > > There is just so much wrong with several things you mentioned. > But, based on your last statement, you don't care anyway, so I, for one, > will not bother. > > I just pity the poor people you work with. > > Tony Thigpen > > -----Original Message ----- > From: Steve Hobson > Sent: 07/22/2014 04:25 PM -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system.
