>but do you really want to compare the small ASSP code base with Windows
Yes, the assp code the source of the Perl core and all used modules are
much larger than the source of any Windows kernel.
>windows 2000 and Perl 5.8
Use what ever you want. What I can tell you is, what assp is developed
for.
>Do they change hardware and software with every new Windows version?
Yes - every three years - at least the server base - and every five years
the complete SAN and network core-switch hardware! The reason is simple -
with new hardware you'll get three years maintenance nearly for free.
Paying three years maintenance results in the same price like new
hardware. This is the short math of the CIO and the Management accounting
Thomas
Von: <[email protected]>
An: <[email protected]>,
Datum: 10.09.2012 16:05
Betreff: Re: [Assp-test] Antwort: Re: ASSPV1 and Perl 5.8
>Fritz, if you don't see it, or you don't know it, or you ignore it - it
> doesn't mean that it is not happen!
Don't you find this a chaos? The developer of V1 and the developer of V2
have different opinions on the code of V1???
Thomas does not recommend running ASSP V1 on Perl below 5.10, Fritz does
not see any problem with that combination and runs ASSP V1 on Perl 5.8.8
on production environments, as I do. Now, who is right?
Nevertheless, Thomas thank you for your explanations on problems with
Unicode character processing.
>No - it would take too long. What was the answer from Microsoft about
your question "what has been changed from Windows >2000 to Windows
2008R2SP1 - and why was it changed?"
I did not even try, maybe I should. But one short comment on this
statement:
Thomas, I know that your are a experienced developer (as I am, but not
with Perl), but do you really want to compare the small ASSP code base
with Windows, were hundreds of developers produce code for every new
version thrown out to public?? Sorry, but ASSP V1 or V2 is a very very
small piece of software compared with Windows. But this is not a statement
on quality.
....5.12.4 on Windows 2000 Server
>Are we in 2012 ???
Why change a running system, which does it's work since years on a
hardware from 2000? Are you working for a company? Do they change hardware
and software with every new Windows version? I know that Windows 2000 is
out of its life cycle. The system is on schedule for upgrade. ASSP is a
tool for keeping the idiots outside and ASSP on Windows 2000, despite some
small problems, exactly does this. It would be better ASSP would not even
be required, do you agree? ASSP, as good and free it is, is not a
productive software. It really is only overhead, but a very necessary
overhead.
Thank you both for spending your time on ASSP.
Thilo
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Thomas Eckardt [mailto:[email protected]]
Gesendet: Samstag, 8. September 2012 10:47
An: ASSP development mailing list
Betreff: [Assp-test] Antwort: Re: ASSPV1 and Perl 5.8
>Tell me exactly were are the conflicts.
No - it would take too long. What was the answer from Microsoft about your
question "what has been changed from Windows 2000 to Windows 2008R2SP1 -
and why was it changed?"
short very simple example : s/\S+// and s/\d+// will some times produce
different results on unicode encoded text in every dfferent Perl version
Running the rebuildspamdb in V2 against the same corpus, each time using
another Perl version - will each time produce different spamdb's.
>5.12.4 on Windows 2000 Server
Are we in 2012 ???
>"Some code will do this,
Better explained - ALL code that is releated to text processing - in case
the text is not single byte character set encoded.
for example:
\xE3\x80\x82 - which is a UTF-8 character
V2 processes this sequence as a single character - V1 processes this as
three bytes and eliminates \x80\x82 from the sequence for Bayes
processing.
So all characters from \xE3\x80\x80 to \xE3\x9F\x9F are represented in V1
as \xE3 If you know that there are unicode characters that are using four
bytes - you'll know that V1 will do something - but not what you expect.
Thomas.
Von: <[email protected]>
An: <[email protected]>,
Datum: 07.09.2012 09:45
Betreff: Re: [Assp-test] ASSPV1 and Perl 5.8
I use ASSP V1 1.9.3.9(1.0.00) on Perl 5.8. without seeing problems.
So, Thomas, please tell me what is wrong with that config and what could
happen. I run this in a production environment. Tell me exactly were are
the conflicts. I have no compile error and therefore my maxim is "never
touch a running system". Could you definitely assert that when I install
Perl 5.12.4 on Windows 2000 Server (!), that there will be no problems and
the performance is as good as with Perl 5.8.8.
Your answer on Fritz has produced a big uncertainty. "Some code will do
this, some code will do that.... ?????
I'm afraid now installing new versions of V1 on Perl 5.8., because I
cannot be sure that some code here and some code there would cause strange
results without compile error. If ASSP requires 5.10 or 5.12 than it
should refuse to run on 5.8.8!!
What a chaos!
Thilo
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Thomas Eckardt [mailto:[email protected]]
Gesendet: Freitag, 7. September 2012 06:17
An: ASSP development mailing list
Betreff: Re: [Assp-test] ASSPV1 and Perl 5.8
>>this code will produce unexpected results if it runs on Perl
versions below 5.12.0 and if it is used for data outside the single byte
codepages or it is running on system that are using such codepages.
>>this code will produce unexpected
results if it runs on Perl versions below 5.12.0 . It requires the 'use
5.010;' statement. It requires to disable all unicode features in the code
for Perl version below 5.12.
>At this moment I run ASSP V1 with Perl 5.8.8 and 5.12.4 in production.
Development is done with 5.12.4 and testruns on 5.8.8.
Fritz, if you don't see it, or you don't know it, or you ignore it - it
does'nt mean that it is not happen!
Thomas
Von: "Fritz Borgstedt" <[email protected]>
An: "ASSP development mailing list" <[email protected]>,
Datum: 06.09.2012 15:51
Betreff: Re: [Assp-test] Antwort: Re: ASSPV1 and Perl 5.8
At this moment I run ASSP V1 with Perl 5.8.8 and 5.12.4 in production.
Development is done with 5.12.4 and testruns on 5.8.8.
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