Oh, when I go to change my outgoing mail settings in Thunderbird and I 
choose SSL, it defaults to 465. I do, however, see equal references to 
465 and 587 as viable SSL ports. I see chatter about TLS vs SSL, and 
STARTTLS being used for port 587, but it's semi-greek to me. Either way, 
port forwarding can hopefully handle whichever port ASSP doesn't bind to.

Thanks for the heads up on the iptables rule, Andrew. It works like a 
charm! Now I can use the 2nd listening port in ASSP for the secure 
connection, and I can create as many forwarders as I need to get around 
restrictive firewalls.

David

James Brown wrote:
> I agree, but I think port 465 is obsolete these days, and 587 is the  
> one to use.
>
> (Could be wrong, but that's what I picked up on the Postfix mailing  
> list recently).
>
> James.
>
> On 22/09/2007, at 6:13 PM, David wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have ASSP listening on port 26 as it's secondary port, for my  
>> clients
>> who need to send mail from a residential ISP that blocks port 26.
>> Recently, though, I have been seeing users blocked on port 26 also, so
>> I'm looking into the possibility of getting ASSP to listen on more
>> ports. Is it possible and feasible to use IPTables to get another  
>> port,
>> like 2525, to forward internally to port 25/26 that ASSP listens on? I
>> would just change port 26 to something else, but I also have many  
>> users
>> configured with it, and there are also a number behind odd firewalls
>> that would block an odd port like 2525 also,so having both options  
>> would
>> be nice.
>>
>> Another possible "cure" is to use the an SSL secure connection and use
>> the SSL port (465). Currently, one has to use stunnel to  
>> approximate an
>> SSL connection for ASSP. It is pretty hacky and also invalidates  
>> any IP
>> checks as ASSP thinks the mail is coming from localhost, and the  
>> IPs in
>> the mail header are not trusted anyways. Someone said once that it's
>> what is holding ASSP back from being a real contender in areas where
>> secure connections are necessary. There were last week talks of  
>> getting
>> ASSP to check the headers for IP tests. Would this solve the issue  
>> of IP
>> tests being invalidated with stunnel? Are SSL libraries at a maturity
>> level in Perl where it could be implemented in ASSP itself?
>>
>> I remember reading that SSL support is "outside of ASSP's scope",  
>> but I
>> have to disagree. If ASSP is a proxy for the MTA, it ought to support
>> every connection that the MTA does, seeing as we can't/won't connect
>> directly to the MTA anymore. One _could_ connect directly to the  
>> MTA on
>> the new port it listens on, but then one loses the whitelisting and
>> bayesian training that happens when mail goes out through ASSP. If I
>> understand correctly, if mail is sent out via an ISP's SMTP server, or
>> otherwise bypasses ASSP, the mail isn't logged/whitelisted/trained
>> against since it never touches ASSP, right?
>>
>> If SSL is implemented, then ASSP would definitely need more ports to
>> listen on: port 25, 26/2525 for an additional unencrypted port,  
>> then 465
>> for the secure connection. I've been reading and studying for entirely
>> too long today. I apologize if any of this is weird or just plain  
>> wrong.
>>
>> David
>>
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