Whether the public statement is truth or slander is decided by the courts - not always correctly. By that point in the process, everyone has lost at least a litle.
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 12:35 -0400, Charles Vance wrote: > You can't sue me if I have stated the truth, and opinion is not > subject to either slander of libel. I think the "amazon" review style > works. It's just an opinion and the reader can take it or leave it. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matthew Rubenstein > To: W. Glenn Campbell > Cc: Asterisk -Biz > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:18 PM > Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau > > > There's a world of distance between "100% trustworthy", and > the kind of > dangerously misleading info such a casual approach to public > reviews can > be. And considering the personalities in this community which > that > directory would serve, I would be surprised if someone > unsatisfied with > their public reviews wouldn't seek reprisal against the > publisher of the > reviews site, as well as the (less identified/reachable) > reviewers > themselves. Like suing the publisher, or otherwise trashing > them. I > wouldn't want the responsibility. Not at this stage of > immaturity of > this community, inadequacy of usable trust networks, and > either > traditions or laws protecting people from charges of > slander/libel in > this kind of publication. > > > On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 12:10 -0400, W. Glenn Campbell wrote: > > I had added this to a "hobby" site of mine a while back ( > > http://www.itspratings.com ), but never really did anything > with it. May be > > time to revive it? I agree that reviews/ratings aren't 100% > trustworthy, > > but it's a pretty good starting point for those shopping > around. Do you > > really believe all the reviews on Amazon.com ;) > > > > As I said, the list is pretty bare, but you are more than > welcome to add to > > it. Shoot me an email if you want an provider added to the > list. Leave a > > review on the site if you like. > > > > > > > > > > > > W. Glenn Campbell > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > NetStar Solutions, LLC. > > http://www.netstarsolutions.com > > Phone: (270) 554-6700 > > Fax: (502) 415-7112 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Matthew > > Rubenstein > > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:54 AM > > To: Charles Vance > > Cc: Asterisk -Biz > > Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau > > > > Actually, Wikipedia works pretty well, because its access is > so open > > to > > so many people, and there is indeed a relatively trustworthy > publisher > > which implements fairly content-neutral policies to prevent > most common > > abuses. Smaller communities with the same model produce a > much less > > accurate description of their subject, like the > Conservopedia. > > > > But this directory will suffer from all the worst flaws of > those > > models. While representing itself as a tool in the critical > path of the > > most fundamental voice network business decisions. Sounds > like a > > trainwreck right in the station. > > > > > > On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 10:46 -0400, Charles Vance wrote: > > > tut tut. The community is trustworthy. Afterall, > Wickopedia works > > > doesn't it? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Matthew Rubenstein > > > To: Al Bochter > > > Cc: Asterisk -Biz > > > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:29 AM > > > Subject: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau (was: > Re: Fed up > > > with my ITSP) > > > > > > > > > I can't wait to see this list's typical > professionalism, > > > dispassionate > > > critiques, sense of proportion, fair play among > competitors > > > and aversion > > > to mere gossip and personal attacks be published > in a central > > > database > > > that the general public will use to do business > with so many > > > companies > > > large and small. > > > > > > I can't wait, because it doesn't exist. > > > > > > Unless this directory has some kind of trust > network, or other > > > accountability (there is none other on the > Internet), then it > > > will be > > > routinely abused to game it. It will be at best a > waste of > > > time, and at > > > worst libel/slander > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 10:10 -0400, Al Bochter > wrote: > > > > To everyone on the list > > > > > > > > Please email me off the list any BAD ITSP, Voip > Providers, > > > And other > > > > Voip things you had problems with. > > > > Make SURE you provide details of what that > problem you had. > > > > > > > > Let me know about the good ones too. > > > > > > > > I am going to start a list and post the details > about the > > > providers. > > > > We need to give the good ones more business and > bad ones > > > less > > > > VOIP is getting a bad name do to all this > bull**** and we > > > need to stop > > > > it. > > > > > > > > I don't have a site name in mind but I will have > this done > > > A.S.A.P. > > > > and I will post the URL to the list. > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Al Bochter > > > > http://www.BochterServices.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > See what we are selling at auction > > > > > http://www.epier.com/auctions.asp?bochterservices > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Take a look at our online store > > > > http://www.bochterservices.com/onlinestore/ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Elliot Otchet wrote: > > > > > Here Here! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf > > > Of Dovid > > > > > Bender > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:16 AM > > > > > To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com > > > > > Subject: [asterisk-biz] Fed up with my ITSP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi List, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am fed up with one of the ITSP's. That I > used to use (I > > > don't use > > > > > them any more but still have a few DID's by > them). Back in > > > the day > > > > > they were good but now they seem to be down > every so > > > often. When you > > > > > call tech support they say to please wait on > hold and 2-3 > > > minutes > > > > > later you hear a good bye and the phone call > ends. Is > > > there any site > > > > > to rate ITSP's ? I think people should know > for the future > > > who is > > > > > good and who is not. If there is no site I am > willing to > > > host it if > > > > > some one wants to write the code. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dovid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by > > > http://www.api-digital.com-- > > > > > > > > > > asterisk-biz mailing list > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > > > > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Inbound (clean). 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