Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: > On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 00:15 -0400, Steve Totaro wrote: > >> Originally it was a few trusted nodes and the only real security was >> physical, meaning access to a terminal. ARPA/DARPAnet security guards >> certainly would not let just anyone access a terminal. >> > > I do not think that there were DARPA guards at the universities that > designed and built the first parts of the internet. Remember DARPA > funded it but didnt create it, that was by other university folk. In > addition DARPA stopped any oversight in 1975 (a year after the term > "internet" was first notably seen) becuase their job was not to manage > or maintain things such as this network, but it was to fund research and > development. As such, the policy of posting guards when they > acknowledged it wasnt their job to manage or maintain the network seems > questionable. > > The initial funding meant that it was non-commercial in nature, this > meant that universities, researchers, and some military was there, but > remember milnet didnt join until 1980, and split it off in 1983 > (maintaining gateways but not trafficing over the same links) > > Many of the initial users were scientists, librarians, computer experts > and such. Yeah, there was a movement in the 60s in Ohio to computerize > book catalogs that by the 70s was an international effort. This did > eventually join the internet as there was in the US a multi-state effort > to not only have these catalogs but share them. > > Spam had its 30th birthday just the other day (email from DEC on May 3 > 1978), where were the guards? What about for the few hundred that > received the original email and complained their systems costing often > hundreds of thousands of dollars was being used for marketing. > > Ok, they gave up oversight in 1975, so that means from 1962 (when DARPA > got a guy from MIT who earlier that year was the first to publicly > propose a global network of computers) to 1975 the guards would have had > to been there at least in some fashion, but there wasnt milnet (joined > in 1980) or really anything classified on the network during those > years, and TCP didnt exist until 1973 (NCP did exist prior though). Why > the first attempt to connect on Oct 29, 1969 crashed at the 3rd > character (G in LOGIN). > > So now we have the years 1969-1975 for DARPA to still be in control and > a network actually working. You cant guard someone logging in from a > terminal when the network itself crashes, so its unlikely they were > guarding the terminals prior to the network actually running. But still > during this period nothing classified is trafficing over the network. > It was also envisioned in 1962 by someone to be a global network of > computers all over everywhere. That guy was specifically snatched up by > DARPA to further develop the network concept. > > Its seeming less likely, especially since just a few years after that > companies like DEC were there complete with sales people having access > to it (it was a sales guy that sent the original spam message). > Wikipedia states that it wasnt until the 80s that DEC joined, but the > sales guy who sent the first spam was prior to this so wikipedia is > wrong (yet again). > > > Basically I dont have proof there were no guards (its almost impossible > to prove a negative) but it doesnt look like its that probable given > what was on the network and its state through most of the early years of > it. If you have some reference that states there was DARPA guards that > restricted access to the network I would like to hear about it. I know > by 1979 that wasnt the case, as that was the first year I started using > world wide networks and there were zero guards at any of the many > terminals that I had access to. > I will check with Marty and Mark (co-authors of SNMP and founders of PSINET). I distinctly remember them mentioning this but I don't have a link to prove or disprove it yet. I generally trust hearsay from them.
Thanks, Steve Totaro _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz