> On July 17, 2014, 4:41 p.m., Matt Jordan wrote: > > /trunk/main/stasis_channels.c, lines 1071-1077 > > <https://reviewboard.asterisk.org/r/3811/diff/1/?file=64565#file64565line1071> > > > > I'm not sure why these changes (removal of the .to_ami callback) were > > necessary. > > > > Generally, I prefer the .to_ami callbacks to explicit subscription to > > message types and construction of messages in the various manager_* modules: > > > > (1) Obtaining the messages in the appropriate modules is done by simply > > forwarding the topics to the manager topic. That substantially reduces the > > boilerplate code required. > > > > (2) Co-locating the generation of formatting of messages makes it very > > easy to update all consumers of a message when a new field is added, > > helping keep the code/events similar for all consumers of that message. > > > > Generally, I would much prefer these to be kept, and to have the other > > channel related message have .to_ami callbacks implemented. If anything, > > the res_manager_channels module should be very small: it should set up a > > forwarding relationship between the channel topics and the manager topic > > and be done. > > Corey Farrell wrote: > (1) I couldn't determine what causes the current code (stasis_channels.c > / manager_channels.c) to have manager subscribe these events (or not). Maybe > I was wrong to assume the existence of .to_ami causes the messages to be > broadcast to AMI? If I am wrong then what causes ast_channel_varset_type to > be subscribed by the manager topic? > > (2) As for reducing boilerplate code, I don't understand how this is the > case - the new code for these events are almost the same as the old code. > Yes > > (3) The primary goal of this change is to allow res_manager_channels to > be excluded from a build, and replaced with something that produces selected > events with a different/reduced format, or use other custom filters. I view > AMI on two levels - a transport protocol (name value pairs resembling HTTP > headers), and an application protocol (the default events produced by > Asterisk). Removal of .to_ami isolates the application layer to modules so > it can be replaced. For example ast_manager_build_channel_state_string > provides 1 field that is useful to me - UniqueID. All other fields are clock > cycles wasted during production, transmit and consumption. > > (4) After this change .to_ami would be dead-code at best when > res_manager_channels.so is not loaded. At worst I'm concerned that .to_ami > might prevent me from producing custom events. > > Mark Michelson wrote: > I can answer your question from (1). In main/manager_channels.c, there is > the following code: > > manager_topic = ast_manager_get_topic(); > if (!manager_topic) { > return -1; > } > /* lines snipped */ > channel_topic = ast_channel_topic_all_cached(); > if (!channel_topic) { > return -1; > } > > topic_forwarder = stasis_forward_all(channel_topic, manager_topic); > if (!topic_forwarder) { > return -1; > } > > What's happening here is that messages on any channel topic get forwarded > to the manager as a result of the topic forwarder. Since varset messages are > published on a specific channel topic, they get forwarded to the manager, > which calls the to_ami vtable callback to format the message and then send it > out. > > Even without a .to_ami callback, the stasis publication is still > forwarded to the manager topic. The manager topic still gets the message, > sees that there is no to_ami callback and does nothing with the forwarded > message. > > The current use of the topic forwarder in main/manager_channels.c means > that the easiest way I know of to do what you're after (with varset or any > other channel topic publication) is exactly what you've done in this review: > withhold a to_ami callback and create a subscription to the specific event > type in a loadable module. While this is easier to implement, it results in > some extra cycles wasted on forwarding to the manager topic when it really > doesn't need to be done at all. > > The other, more complicated option would be to define the varset message > type in a loadable module. You'd need to create a public function in that > module that is used to publish the message since core modules would not be > able to reliably reference the message type defined in the module. With the > OPTIONAL_API, you can make it so that attempting to call the publication > function provided by the module when the module is not loaded will result in > a no-op. This would make it so the varset message type would only exist if > the appropriate module were loaded. Therefore, attempting to publish a varset > message would be a no-op if the module were not loaded. It also means, > though, that if you are attempting to create your own varset AMI message, you > are on the hook for defining the stasis message type, using the OPTIONAL_API > properly, and defining all callbacks (to_ami, to_json, and to_event) for the > message type. In addition, this sort of behavior is only going to be useful > if the stasi s message type being published is being consumed by AMI. Are there other consumers of the varset message type within Asterisk other than AMI? Could there be? > > I think that, given the options, the way Corey is doing this is the way > to go if we want to make AMI messages for a given message type on a channel > topic provided by a loadable module. > > Corey Farrell wrote: > I'm against use of OPTIONAL_API for this purpose. I've found that > OPTIONAL_API isn't always optional, and I've seen run-time link error's > caused by modules that use "optional" API's from other modules that were not > yet loaded. This leads me to believe that OPTIONAL_API's provided by modules > would not be usable by the core. I have an idea for how to provide a > replacement for OPTIONAL_API in Asterisk 14 as part of the loader.c revamp, > but that doesn't help us now. Additionally manager isn't the only subscriber > to manager_topic, so I think this would cause problems when the module is not > loaded. > > My big complaint with .to_ami is that stasis != AMI. Stasis is the > producer, AMI is a consumer. I think .to_ami is reasonable to use in modules > (like app_queue or res_agi), but not in the Asterisk core. I actually wanted > to strip all .to_ami callbacks from stasis_*.c, I just ran out of time before > the cut-off. I would not be completely against .to_ami if it could be set > after the fact by a module load - if that's possible I'm open to suggestions. > > Based on your comments I'm starting to question the need for: > topic_forwarder = stasis_forward_all(channel_topic, manager_topic); > > If I'm understanding, since no channel topic's have .to_ami, this does > nothing more than waste clock cycles by forwarding topic's that will not be > processed by manager_topic? > > Matt Jordan wrote: > I think you're confusing the point of the to_ami callback. It is not > tightly coupling AMI with Stasis, nor is it implying that AMI is Stasis. > > The purpose of the various callbacks (.to_ami, .to_json, .to_event) is to > provide message formatters. The name "to_ami" is implying that this message > *can* be formatted into AMI syntax. That doesn't mean it has to be > transmitted over AMI, just like being converted into JSON doesn't mean that > it has to be transmitted over ARI. It's simply a way to format the message in > a standard way. > > One of the benefits of this approach is that all code related to the > message and its representation is with the message definition itself. If a > new field is added to the message, it becomes trivial to go through and > update its various formatters. Moving the code into other locations not only > incurs additional penalties (although those penalties are relatively small), > it also requires more work to go find where those events are formatted. In > the case of ARI, for example, this can be slightly non-trivial. > > While I like what you're attempting to do here, I really don't agree with > the approach. Removing formatters still feels like a big step backwards. > > Corey Farrell wrote: > I'm making the changes per your request (.to_ami for everything in > stasis_channels except ast_channel_snapshot_type). I don't have time to > rewrite AMI formatters from the other new modules to .to_ami callbacks. > These other modules are just moves from main/manager_*.c to > res/res_manager_*.c. As for ast_channel_snapshot_type I suspect this one > can't be made into a .to_ami callback since it could potentially result in > multiple AMI events. > > I suspect (hope) I can still create a custom module that replaces > res_manager_channels.c, subscribe to the events I want with the formatting I > want (ignoring the .to_ami callbacks). If not then this change will not > accomplish my goal. > > It will take me a couple days to test these new changes. As for > stasis_channels.c, I think a reorder is appropriate. How would you feel > about having the callback procedures (.to_ami, .to_json, .to_event) > immediately before each STASIS_MESSAGE_TYPE_DEFN? Also I've seen some cases > where the managerEvent XMLDOC is inline, but most cases it is at the top of > the file. Based on your comments about keeping things together I think they > should be in each .to_ami callback - what do you think?
{quote} It will take me a couple days to test these new changes. As for stasis_channels.c, I think a reorder is appropriate. How would you feel about having the callback procedures (.to_ami, .to_json, .to_event) immediately before each STASIS_MESSAGE_TYPE_DEFN? {quote} Sounds good to me. {quote} Also I've seen some cases where the managerEvent XMLDOC is inline, but most cases it is at the top of the file. Based on your comments about keeping things together I think they should be in each .to_ami callback - what do you think? {quote} Some history here: When I first wrote the AMI event documentation, there were two problems that I tried to work around: (1) The sheer number of AMI events made the scope of the documentation task rather large (2) Some AMI events were raised in multiple locations and for different purposes (and possibly even in separate files) Both of those reasons led me to allowing for documentation blobs to be placed immediately before the call to the API function that raised the event. A normal 'make', however, won't find these documentation strings: it uses awk and only looks for the first /*** DOCUMENTATION marker; what it finds after that until the end of the comment is printed out. A 'make full', on the other hand, will use a pair of python scripts to pull out documentation in the entire source file. This allowed me to piece together all of the XML fragments from multiple events and pull them as children into a single element; it also let me infer parameters from the subsequent API calls. So, this: /*** DOCUMENTATION <managerEventInstance> ... </managerEventInstance> ***/ manager_event(EVENT_FLAG_CALL, "Dial", 2, chans, "SubEvent: Begin\r\n"...); ... /*** DOCUMENTATION <managerEventInstance> ... </managerEventInstance> ***/ manager_event(EVENT_FLAG_CALL, "Dial", 2, chans, "SubEvent: End\r\n" ...); Gets turned into: <managerEvent> <managerEventInstance> /* Node for dial begin */ </managerEventInstance> <managerEventInstance> /* Node for dial end */ </managerEventInstance> </managerEvent> There's obvious drawbacks to this approach - it depends on python, a make target people aren't familiar with, and it builds a bit slower. If you fail to compile with 'make full', you won't get the documentation you're expecting to get. All of this is a long winded way to say that scattering documentation has limitations, and doing it the way I did was really a way to work around the situation at the time. Now, since events are typically generated from Stasis messages, and we took the approach in 12+ to *not* have lots of events with subtype fields, it's generally less needed (although it still is used and exists in certain places). If you think that those drawbacks aren't too big of a deal, that placing the documentation near the formatting of the key/value pairs is generally nice (it is really obvious to see when an event is missing a field) - Matt ----------------------------------------------------------- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: https://reviewboard.asterisk.org/r/3811/#review12733 ----------------------------------------------------------- On July 21, 2014, 3:56 a.m., Corey Farrell wrote: > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: > https://reviewboard.asterisk.org/r/3811/ > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > (Updated July 21, 2014, 3:56 a.m.) > > > Review request for Asterisk Developers. > > > Bugs: ASTERISK-24068 > https://issues.asterisk.org/jira/browse/ASTERISK-24068 > > > Repository: Asterisk > > > Description > ------- > > This change moves main/manager_*.c to loadable modules, allowing those events > to be disabled by not loading the modules. This can be accomplished by > eventfilter, but eventfilter has a couple issues. It actually adds more > overhead to asterisk since the outbound events must be parsed for each AMI > user. Additionally it causes skips in SequenceNumber, preventing use of that > tag to determine if any events were missed during a reconnect. > > Besides converting from built-in units to modules, changes are made to > VarSet, ChannelTalkingStart and ChannelTalkingStop. They no longer use > .to_ami callbacks, but instead subscribe to the stasis events like the rest > of the res_manager_channels events. A couple functions were also moved from > manager_bridging.c and manager_channels.c to manager.c since they are still > needed even if these modules are noload'ed. > > AST_MODULE_INFO_STANDARD for all modules will be updated once r3802 is > committed. This or r3812 will need to be updated depending on which is > committed first. > > > Diffs > ----- > > /trunk/main/stasis_channels.c 418738 > /trunk/main/manager_system.c HEAD > /trunk/main/manager_system.c 418738 > /trunk/main/manager_mwi.c HEAD > /trunk/main/manager_mwi.c 418738 > /trunk/main/manager_endpoints.c HEAD > /trunk/main/manager_endpoints.c 418738 > /trunk/main/manager_channels.c HEAD > /trunk/main/manager_channels.c 418738 > /trunk/main/manager_bridges.c HEAD > /trunk/main/manager_bridges.c 418738 > /trunk/main/manager.c 418738 > /trunk/include/asterisk/manager.h 418738 > > Diff: https://reviewboard.asterisk.org/r/3811/diff/ > > > Testing > ------- > > Ran some testsuite's to verify some of the events were still being sent to > AMI: > tests/manager/originate > tests/apps/channel_redirect > tests/bridge/connected_line_update > tests/feature_call_pickup > tests/apps/dial/dial_answer > tests/apps/chanspy/chanspy_barge > tests/funcs/func_push > > This did not provide complete coverage for all effected events, but does > verify many events from res_manager_channels.c. Events from other files were > not tested, though res_manager_channels.c was the most likely to cause > problems. > > > Thanks, > > Corey Farrell > >
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