On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 8:52 AM <aster...@phreaknet.org> wrote: > I strongly object to not having an asterisk-dev list. Mailing lists are > essential for FOSS developer discussion. The majority of non-ephemeral > development discussion happens either on IRC or here on the asterisk-dev > list - just check the archives to see that it's still active. Most of us > are not on the community forums and/or couldn't be bothered to use them. > You can go and see now that "Development" on the community forums is > basically dead, because nobody wants to use it, so trying to push that > on everyone is a terrible idea. >
The "Development" category was done on a whim and hasn't really been advertised or mentioned a huge amount. I presented it merely as an option, as it was present. > > Even for users, I think the loss of asterisk-users will be a major loss. > Far more *discussion* is happening on the Discourse forum, but far more > *quality* discussion still happens on asterisk-users. Being on a mailing > list seems to be a natural weedout for junk questions. More serious > questions still seem to come through on the mailing list. The community > forums is far fuller of useless postings from people who can't tell a > hard drive from a memory stick. Nobody wants to wade through a bunch of > low-quality posts to find the few that might have some use. Thus, > getting rid of asterisk-users would see a significant drop in the > average quality of user engagement. But at least, even if the -users > list is dropped, the -dev list should stick around in some form. > To be quite blunt, the quality is better on asterisk-users because few actually use it. In the earlier days the quality wasn't as good when it was actually used more. Even then, the quality still varies on the asterisk-users list. > > I know the forums can have emails enabled that you can receive, and no, > that's not a proper replacement for a mailing list. > > GitHub Discussions aren't a proper mailing list, either, so ultimately I > think that will run into the same issue. GitHub has a lot of bells and > whistles but most of them aren't as built out as using the proper tool > they try to emulate. > > I think #3 is the right choice. It's using the right tool for the right > job. If you don't want to maintain the lists, have somebody else do it. > I do a combination of hosted and self-hosted for my own lists. Contrary > to the opinions of some, people, especially technical people, have not > "moved on" from mailing lists; they are widely used, and I get hundreds > of emails a day from them that I have a good workflow for. > > Most lists I'm on that used to be elsewhere (e.g. Yahoo Groups, Google > Groups, mailman, LISTSERV, other custom or independent platforms) have > now migrated to groups.io and are generally highly satisfied with it > compared to other platforms. It used to be completely free; it's now > free for lists under 100 members, or ones that are grandfathered in. As > the maintainer of several lists there and a member of many more, I've > been pretty happy with it. > > I'd suggest creating a list there and letting people on this list > manually opt into it, since there are probably a lot of people on > mailman that aren't active anymore. If it's under 100 members, it's > completely free anyways. If more than 100 people join, that means people > here *really* like mailing lists and find value in them, and I'm sure > Sangoma can afford $20 a month for it, if it really doesn't want to run > mailman lists anymore that badly, and $20 is a small price to keep > developers happy. > Your opinion has been noted. -- Joshua C. Colp Asterisk Project Lead Sangoma Technologies Check us out at www.sangoma.com and www.asterisk.org
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