then ignore the thread. to use your words..."I always amazes me how so many EXPECT so much for nothing..."
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vozza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source? > BS! :) > > Take the time to read and learn as much as you can from what's available > and believe it or not you may just learn something. Even if that something > is what to ask/search for. > > All those that get paid to answer questions on this list please raise your > hand. I know my hand is still on the keyboard. > > I always amazes me how so many EXPECT so much for nothing... > > Regards > > John > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > NetRom Internet Services 973-208-1339 voice > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 973-208-0942 fax > http://www.netrom.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, PJ Welsh wrote: > > > I have to defend us newbies on this. > > > > This environment does not facilitate sequential knowledge building! Based on my entry to Asterisk, I should have already known T1/E1/VOIP/SIP/FreeWorld/H.232/X100P/PBX/FXO/FXS/channel bank etc you get the idea (still trying to figure out "skinny"...cisco something, I know). Heck, I'm struggling to get a grip on what and how to use/confiure SIP for linux and keep my hair. > > > > You don't start off with a prerequisite of knowledge to join like a class/school. You don't have the you-must-have-asterisk-101-before going to asterisk-102 before you can join this list. You have a forum that is GENERAL. > > > > I would like to a better effort to provide a more sensible way to start helping us newbies. I have to say that the Digium handbook helped a little, but not much. I have googled till I couldn't see straight. I just don't yet have the "big picture" that most of you do. I couldn't even tell you if I need a channel bank or a channel changer ;) at this point. > > > > A group of you seem to expect people to have a knowledge base that allows for entering keywords to google. I don't know those keywords. You know the context to search for when someone says I'm having a problem with insert-thing-here. > > > > Instead of the usual, "Search the archives". It would be more helpfull to give a hint on what to search for. I could search for SIP and get back several hundred "answers". Then I have to figure out where that answer lies in the series of possible answers. Then I have to somehow figure out if it works. > > > > As most of you teachers (past and present) should know, not all of us learn the same. Some people just "get" written material. Some NEED the "spoon" to make it to the next level. Some need the hands-on experience and other's just can't learn any more than they have already know(those people are not likely on this list, however). > > > > You do realize that the http://www.asterisk.org/index.php?menu=support lists the mailing list first for support, don't you. In fact, you have to go to the second page before you even see the google reference. More a few people tend to look for the FIRST way to get help not ALL ways to get help... > > > > <flame suit on> > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 08:31:59PM +0200, Dave Cotton wrote: > > ... > > > Absolutely agree with you Steve. I left teachers training college in > > > 1970. I shock some teachers when I said that in all the years since I > > > haven't taught anyone anything. I've just enabled them to learn. > > > The problem is that in most national education systems the teacher is > > > expected to provide the answers to pass some test at the end of the > > > course. Thinking is not part of the curriculum. > > > -- > > > Dave Cotton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > _______________________________________________ > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
