On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Steve Underwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Atis Lezdins wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Steve Underwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Atis Lezdins wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Andrew Joakimsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Tilghman Lesher >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It is completely illegal in any country that recognizes patents. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> You mean countries that recognize software patents, right? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> As resident of country where the file is hosted - yes we don't have >>>> software patents, they have been proposed to EU and reject few years >>>> ago. So by law - software is algorithm and can't be patented. >>>> >>>> In local laws we even are allowed to reverse-engineer software for >>>> needs of compatibility and interoperability. So, writing code for >>>> commercial codec and using it for interoperability with hardware >>>> devices (you purchased) is allowed by law. >>>> >>>> Damn, we even have a law that don't allow bittorrent trackers, as >>>> bittorrent file is considered breaking copyright law.. Ironic :p >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Please do NOT discuss ways to use unlicensed codecs on this list or any >>>>>> other forum >>>>>> provided by Digium. This has been discussed multiple times as to why >>>>>> not, >>>>>> and I don't feel like rehashing the argument again. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I did not know you were a moderator on this list. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> contributory infringement >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> What if I make a page that explains the patent issues and then >>>>> provide a link to http://asterisk.hosting.lv/ from that site and only >>>>> provide people on this list a link to my site? What if I provide a >>>>> link to the Google search for "asterisk g723?" Where do we draw the >>>>> line? If that site is so illegal, why hasn't it been taken down? Why >>>>> hasn't the patent holder at the very least provided Google with a DMCA >>>>> notice? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I guess because it's completely legal here, and there's a disclaimer on >>>> page: >>>> DISCLAIMER: You might have to pay royalty fees to the G.729/723.1 >>>> patent holders for using their algorithm. >>>> >>>> It all depends on country and laws. >>>> >>>> >>> There are a few algorithmic speedup patents around, what can accelerate >>> codecs like G.729 and G.723.1, and which are purely software patents. >>> Most of the relevant patents are *not* software patents. Don't confuse >>> "software patent" with "something running on a computer". >>> >>> Patents applicable to speech coding are perfectly valid in the vast >>> majority of countries. Certainly in all the EU countries. >>> >> >> It seems that this have been discussed numerous times. >> >> http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2004-October/058136.html >> >> Does anybody have some more legal experence with this? Any courts? >> Negotiations? NDA? :p >> >> >From what i've found, there's an EU directive regarding software >> patents, but it's full of legal terms. Maybe anyone can comment? >> >> http://www.europarl.europa.eu/commonpositions/2005/pdf/c6-0058-05_en.pdf >> > You're back to talking about software patents again. People love to do > that, in the same spirit that schoolboys cross their fingers in the hope > it absolves them from something. Would you care to look through the > patents which the G.729 patent pool licences, and try to find any > software patents amongst them? >
Because it's one directive regulating software and mathematical/algorithmic patents. Personally, I don't use G.729 at all, i'm just curios about this. If you would point me, i would gladly take a look at this patent list, for now my searches were unsuccessful. I was also asking somebody for some legal experience with this, as theory and practical application of patent laws may differ :) Regards, Atis -- Atis Lezdins, VoIP Project Manager / Developer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: atis.lezdins Cell Phone: +371 28806004 Cell Phone: +1 800 7300689 Work phone: +1 800 7502835 _______________________________________________ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users