Jon Pounder wrote:
Don E. Wisdom wrote:
On 2/17/09 2:05 PM, "Jon Pounder" <j...@inline.net> wrote:
Jeff LaCoursiere wrote:
> What do you suppose we have as liability if we are asked to
install such
> systems? Is it the responsibility of the business owner that
orders the
> system to meet all applicable codes? If (god forbid) someone was
hurt in
> such a situation and the alarm didn't get passed because of being
> delivered by VoIP for whatever reason, does the system installer
have any
> liability?
>
>well here's a question - which is more reliable ?
>- a single copper line dialed on demand when there is a problem
>- voip or other internet technology, using internet connections on
more
>than one media (say phone and cable), voip connected to multiple
servers
>in a failover configuration.
>its not uncommon for even a house to have multiple internet
connections,
>but how many buildings have phone lines that connect back to different
>CO's and fail over ?
>The best bet if you really care about what you are trying to
protect is
>make sure the message can get out as many ways as possible, whether it
>be phone, voip, network, cellmodem, etc. Forget what regulations
>require, no one says you can't go further than the minimum if you
want.
In a REAL emergency internet/cell is more likely to fail than the
phone companys pots network.
Cable/DSLAM etc only have about 4 hours of battery power. The CO
has a entire battery room which will last a whole lot longer. Not
to mention that it may stay up longer than your VoIP network. You
also have to take into account everything between you& the CO or
cable company. If just ONE thing fails you loose voip. Copper is a
lot more forgiving & has failover modes versus the phone co’s ATM
network or the cable companies “network” (or lack there of)
--Don
I don't know if thats really true any more, all the new areas around
here have satellite CO's where fibre comes out to a box on the street
with some batteries etc and copper runs out from there - great for dsl
since its close, but at the mercy of whatever batteries are in there.
The dial tone for the phone line still comes from the CO. The phone
companies loop there copper cable in and out of the remote cabinets.
maybe your alarm needs to report in since there is a fire in your phone
equipment - what then ?
I have seen every type of media go down or have problems no matter how
stable - the only answer is have more than one so you always have a
backup. Poles get hit, cables get cut, equipment breaks, its just a fact
of life.
This is true, that is why most fire panels have to have 2 phone lines.
> j
>
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Jason Aarons (US) wrote:
>
>
>>
http://www.iccsafe.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001650
>> ;p=1
>>
>>
>> I can't see the Dept Transportation running copper to all the
motorist
>> aid boxes along the highway. I thought most of your alarm panels
have
>> moved to GSM/CDMA backup communications. I'd like to see a fire
>> marshall not give a permit for having a VoIP ATA or Vonage.
>>
>>
>>
http://www.iccsafe.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001650
>> ;p=1
>>
>> It's permitted in Chapter 8 2002 & 2007 "Alternative Methods of
>> Communication" and these still have supervision in accordance
with Chap
>> 4 and it's sub-section.
>>
>> 8.5.2.2* Alternate Methods.
>> 8.5.4 Other Transmission Technologies.
>>
>> 8.6.2.2* Alternate Methods.
>> 8.6.4 Other Transmission Technologies.
>>
>> There is nothing specific with regards to voice over internet
protocal
>> and leaves room to add new technology proposals with requirements in
>> future editions according to A8.5.2.2. or A8.6.2.2 respectively.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
>> [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>> LaCoursiere
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:28 PM
>> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Credit Card processing machines
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Jonn Taylor wrote:
>>
>>
>>> If you are in the US, ANY life safety system has to be
connected to a
>>> dedicated copper POTS line. VOIP is NOT ok to use for this. It
is in
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> NFPA.
>>>
>>>
>> What is the NFPA? Do analog extensions in traditional PBXes count?
>>
>> j
>>
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