one thing i'm sure of? Honesty is a waste in this type of business.. all the features youa re talking about .. have been offered and tested with customers.. the bottom like .. when a customer buys a 2$ calling card . he expects to make a call and say his words and hangs up .. all those features won't be of use for him for a card that will allow him to talk as much minutes as he can! you abusing "free routes" or not.. is not his business actually. those features can be offered to PINLESS customers who can pay 100-300 $ per account!
Tarek Sawah Information Technology Adviser Integrated Digital Systems CCNP, MCSE, RHCE, TELECOM USA: +1 386 492 9993 > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:03:26 -0400 > From: sym...@gmail.com > To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com > Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers > > >>You will notice on the calling card shelves there are only a handful of > >>companies producing lots of different cards. > > I have! That's what led me to CC for starters, then implementing a > more novel "startup" product. But. Regardless of all the corruption, > my goal is to offer something honest "TRUTH, I like that ;)", reliable > and as consistent as possible. We cannot compete against free, but we > can try our best. Again, CC is just an entry point, we can doing this > like: > > speech to text -> Natural Language Processing (NLP) -> text to speech. > Bringing computer science to VoIP. This is our long term.. > > I just need to keep the investor happy for now.. > > Nick > > > > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Jeff LaCoursiere <j...@sunfone.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, Nick Khamis wrote: > > > >> Hello Jeff, > >> > >> There will always be fierce competition, we are starting of with > >> prepaid for an obvious source of quick revenue, we will also be > >> rolling out a few more products in the next year.. It seems like they > >> LIE about their LD rates. A company in Australia was > >> charged with this not too long ago. Stolen minutes? Not that I would > >> be interested in stealing! I just want to be educated > >> in such an act. > > > > You will often see discussion on this list about asterisk servers being > > "compromised" and the result being very expensive calls placed until the > > compromise is noticed and shutdown. Those calls are placed by nefarious > > wholesalers that take advantage of the "free" routes they manage to find as > > long as possible. Hard to compete against free! > > > > Other games the calling card companies play - they will release a card with > > unbelievable rates so that it quickly gains market share, then slowly back > > off the minutes offered by the card (without changing the rate sheets of > > course) until it is noticed by the consumers, who stop buying it. Then that > > card is discontinued and another is produced in the same manner. You will > > notice on the calling card shelves there are only a handful of companies > > producing lots of different cards. > > > > There are many more tricks they use to dupe the consumers and stifle > > competition. Hidden or non-disclosed connection rates, "maintenance fees" > > charged every few days to burn off credit on the cards, time restrictions on > > the lower rates, etc. We actually produced a card once we called "TRUTH" > > (which was honest about rates, had no hidden fees, etc) and it sold ok for a > > while, but when the card next to it on the shelf claims twice the minutes > > for the same $$$, eventually they win. > > > > In the end this business doesn't make money unless you are selling millions > > of minutes per month, and even then the margins are slim and you have to > > play the same games to compete. What we thought would be a fairly easy > > business to run became a maintenance nightmare, and a single instance of > > fraud could wipe out months worth of profits. > > > > A2billing didn't exist when we started, so we rolled our own. Seems pretty > > popular now - maybe it would work well for you. > > > > Good luck, > > > > j > > > >> > >> Of course we don't have to use the same in/outbound providers. I > >> should have been clearer about that. You mentioned Least Cost > >> Route/Rate (LCR), any reason why you did not use what is already out > >> there? Provided by a2billing etc...? We can also implement something > >> using AGI if needed.... > >> > >> Nick. > >> > >> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Jeff LaCoursiere <j...@sunfone.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, Nick Khamis wrote: > >>> > >>>> I should have mentioned we are interested in international long > >>>> distance. That will > >>>> be a big part of our business. > >>>> > >>> > >>> It sounds like you are intending to start a calling card company. Good > >>> luck > >>> - the competition is fierce, and you will be competing against companies > >>> that outright lie about the capacity of their cards, and use stolen > >>> minutes > >>> to fulfill them as often as they can. > >>> > >>> If you intend to do wholesale by reselling, you don't need to use the > >>> same > >>> company for inbound and outbound. In fact for outbound you will probably > >>> have many upstream providers, as your goal will be to find the cheapest > >>> reliable route in every case. You will need to code something for route > >>> selection (I did this in C/AGI). > >>> > >>> For inbound I use IP Comms, which has worked well. Unlimited inbound per > >>> DID, but NOT unlimited channels. For outbound I had arrangements with > >>> STi, > >>> Voipjet, and many others for smaller route sets. I also participated in > >>> the > >>> wholesale market at Arbinet, who just got bought out by someone... > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> j > >>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Danny Nicholas <da...@debsinc.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> They aren't everywhere, but we have had good experience with Voicepulse > >>>>> and > >>>>> their rate is typically less than $0.015 per minute. > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com > >>>>> [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick > >>>>> Khamis > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:09 AM > >>>>> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > >>>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers > >>>>> > >>>>> Very true... But there should be an equilibrium, the "relaiable > >>>>> service, > >>>>> and > >>>>> aggressive pricing" comes to meet? > >>>>> Guys please share your experiences. > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> > >>>>> Nick > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, C. Savinovich > >>>>> <c.savinov...@itntelecom.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In my professional opinion, the phrases "I don't want no Bull service" > >>>>>> and "I want the cheapest service" are total contradictions. Down the > >>>>>> road something is not going to give. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> C. Savinovich > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On September 29, 2011 at 10:47 AM Danny Nicholas <da...@debsinc.com> > >>>>> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> This belongs on the "commercial" list. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>> From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com > >>>>>>> [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick > >>>>>>> Khamis > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:44 AM > >>>>>>> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > >>>>>>> Subject: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hello Everyone, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We are looking for DID and SIP Termination service providers. Since > >>>>>>> there are so many these days, can you guy mention the BIG players > >>>>>>> that are supplying the rest of the little guy? We are looking for the > >>>>>>> cheapest, and scaleable infrastructure (i.e. unlimited channels for > >>>>>>> DID, and trunks for termintation). To summarize we are looking for > >>>>>>> the major players in the DID and SIP Trunk market, no/limited > >>>>>>> headache. This is for wholesaler service. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks in Advance, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Nick > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> _____________________________________________________________________ > >>>>>>> -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- > >>>>>>> New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every > >>>>>>> Thurs: > >>>>>>> http://www.asterisk.org/hello > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> asterisk-users mailing list > >>>>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > >>>>>>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> _____________________________________________________________________ > >>>>>>> -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- > >>>>>>> New to Asterisk? 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