From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Ronald Wiplinger
Sent: Thu 3/3/2005 9:46 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [OT] - [Asterisk-Users] Why should I answer a Newbie question,therethick!
Steven Critchfield wrote:
>On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 17:59
-0700, Paul Fielding wrote:
>
>
>>----- Original
Message -----
>>
>>
>>>Look,
don't answer lame questions if you don't want to. Flaming a
newb
>>>for being a newb is just mean. (they will eventually RTFM or
STFW or
>>>they will fail). This is the way of the open source
community.
>>>
>>>
>>Here
Here, I'm with you. I find it a constant source of amazement how,
in
>>all the various lists I've followed, people find it necessary to
beat on the
>>new guy. Even the 'if you don't want to get flamed
then do some research
>>first' attitude i'm not a fan of.
Sometimes newbies are also newbies to the
>>concept of lists, etc, as
well as the topic of the list.
>>
>>Frankly, I agree. If
you don't like the question, feel it's lame or dumb,
>>or don't like
that someone hasn't done their research, then delete
the
>>message. If you think they're wasting your time by
writing a message, then
>>don't waste any more of your own time by
responding to it. I find the
>>pummelling of newbies more
annoying than the newbie question
itself.
>>
>>
>
>
>
Sometimes
it is not the "if" you make a search, often is for new comers
"what" to aks
for.
If you do not know the specific term, than you need to ask
somewhere,
and I think the list is good for that.
To point to the
'wiki' or 'Google' in general often does not make
sense!!! Just be silent
than, if you do not know a better hint!!!
If I get a reply to my question
"Look at the wiki" or "Have you searched
it on Google" is for me just a time
waster!!
If the answer is, look up "xxx" "yyy" than it makes more sense to
me!!!
The term RTFM is not always a good hint either! Sometimes the
right
answer, even it is the 100th times is better (maybe even shorter) than
a
comment like that!
Besides the documentation of * and add-ons are either
changing often or
changing not often enough to the newest version.
As user
we cannot "guess" what the developer team found better to use now.
E.g.,
ASTCC is a great product, just there is little till nothing to
find in the
wiki or Google, ... Asking in the list was also never answered.
The best
product is worthless, if you cannot document it!!
I know that documentation
is the last thing to do. Even my lawyer in the
school told me, if you want to
save money, ask for two set copies of a
manual included to the machine. 95%
of technical companies will fail to
give you that IN TIME, and there you can
than deduct for each day!!!
Often I think, why somebody does not make a
screen shoot of all he has
developed and attach it, so that we can guess more
what the product can
do. Again for ASTCC (obviously I fight with that one
right now ;-) )
e.g., I cannot find anything for USERS and SIP/IAX friends,
....
1.5 cents
bye
Ronald
>As I have told
others before. This list is a valuable resource even for
>those of us who
know a lot about asterisk already. The users who would
>rather come here
than do any work on their own become pollution to this
>list. They are the
repetitive spam that has no benefit to the ones
>receiving
it.
>
>This type of behavior has run many of the "guru"s off of this
list. They
>are unlikely to be replaced.
>
>BTW, telling a
user they haven't done the prerequisite home work before
>asking a
question is no where near pummelling. Pummelling would be
>calling them
names and making personal attacks. Life is full of venues
>where you need
to meet specific criteria before you are considered
>worthy of
interacting.
>
>All that to lay the ground work to say that when we
send a user back out
>to the search engines to do their homework, we do so
as a jealous
>protecting of this forum and what value we receive from
it.
>
>
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