Andrew Kohlsmith wrote:
> On Monday 05 September 2005 15:25, Jim Van Meggelen wrote:
>> Wait a month or two.
> 
> Until Sangoma's card is in my hot little hands or at a vendor
> near me, it's
> vapour.  I have a hard time believing that FXS/FXO switchable
> on every port
> will be in the final design, but it will be very cool if this
> is the case.

I had heard that Digium is not too far off from their replacement of the
TDM400, either. It's all vapourware, at least from an official
standpoint, but I'd still advise a short wait, because some of these
clouds will coalese . . .

>> Ya, but cha-CHING!
> 
> Sangoma's prices aren't any better on T1/E1/J1...  It's
> priced at what the
> market will bear.  They're cheap compared ot the old stuff,
> but yeah... still
> pricey.

Well, anything more than free is pricey :-)

But BRI, PRI, T1/Channel Bank, or whatever, digital into a small system
is going to be prohibitively expensive.

>> Don't forget to reboot once per week, not to mention "give up
>> on expanding beyond 4 FX ports" . . .
> 
> Jim, really, this is over the top.  I don't reboot any of my
> asterisk boxes, ever, much less once a week.  And I have
> successfully put two 
> TDM cards in a
> single box without issue.

Well, in retrospect it probably was a bit of a low blow, but I don't
know many people that trust those cards, and I *do* have to reboot my
system once per week. If those cards are as trouble-free as you are
suggesting, I'd say the PR folks had better get on it!

> Yes, Digium's cards are picky about the PCI subsystem;
> Sangoma's are (much)
> less so.  Regardless, both still do have issue with some
> (admittedly craptastic) PCI implementations and (again,
> craptastic) PCI 
> cards they must
> share the bus with.

Well, the thing is: knowing what the problem is (or where the fault
lies) does not make it tolerable. I have never heard that multiple
TDM400 cards are 100% guaranteed to work. For a mission-critical phone
system, does that not need to be considered?

>> Not only that, but if it's quality you're after, custom-built
>> is still the way to go. Tyan motherboards; Seasonic or FSP
>> power supplies; Kingston or better RAM; Zalman cooling;
>> Seagate hard drives; a decent chassis and you'll be into a
>> system that'll deliver far more robustness than a branded
>> server could deliver at twice the price. A little engineering
>> pain can deliver outstanding quality, at a price that make
>> sense. 
> 
> Wow that's a lot of money you just threw at a system that I
> can match with
> Asus or even MSI (yikes!), decent, although not brand-name
> power supplies and
> RAM and Maxtor or even Fujitsu drives.

But if you want cheap, "good enough" gear, why not just buy a low-end
Dell? Save a lot of research and shopping around, that would.

I'll grant you that I'm proposing twice the cost for a 10-25%
improvement in reliability. Still, I would never cheap out on a power
supply - especially in an analog-based PBX; quality RAM does make a
difference; and why cheap out on the MoBo? As for the Seagate drives,
silence is golden.

Having spare parts on the shelf is reassuring, but having a system that
will go the distance is far more reassuring.

> The only thing I do insist on with my Asterisk boxes is Intel
> P3 or P4
> processors...  I've personally had nothing but trouble with
> AMD, but I
> haven't spent the time or energy on tracking down exactly
> what the problem
> is.  That, and use good (Intel) network cards.  I bought 100
> of them for
> $0.50ea at a fire sale and they've been amazing.

Well, when it comes to custom-building PCs, everyone has their own ideas
about what is worth paying extra for.

Jim.

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