Hi thanks Lonnie. Sorry this went into my junk for some reason.

1) Yes this is certainly a problem but I have also experienced problems with no 
media on calls being hairpinned through Asterisk from the external trunk. This 
may be solvable with port forwarding however. Maybe I should do some testing on 
this and specify some known and working router/firewall configurations.
2) I use Open VPN for my external phones so it could be solved this way.

I am currently negotiating with the partner and it looks like they will take 
option 3 below which I think is the best compromise.

Regards
Michael Knill

-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Abelbeck <li...@lonnie.abelbeck.com>
Reply-To: AstLinux List <astlinux-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
Date: Saturday, 4 March 2017 at 2:54 pm
To: AstLinux List <astlinux-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Astlinux-users] Astlinux on the edge

Hi Michael,

My guess is "it depends" ... your IT partners go into a auto repair shop with a 
5 year old residential-grade router, etc. (ie. a mess) then making AstLinux the 
edge device would be a major upgrade, not to mention the added voice 
functionality.

Then again your IT partners go into a dentist's office which were previously 
sold more router than they needed, it may not seem right to put AstLinux in 
front of it.

My guess is you need to plan for both situations.

A couple comments ...

1) If AstLinux will only serve SIP endpoints on the private side, no roaming 
public endpoints, then being behind NAT is workable, only the trunk is effected 
by NAT.  Always disable any upstream SIP ALG's, almost always bad news.  Keep 
in mind no upstream port-forwarding is needed for this scenario, and always 
keep the AstLinux firewall enabled for the Adaptive Ban and other protections 
to be kept in place.

2) Else if roaming public endpoints need to be supported, placing AstLinux at 
the edge will make SIP easier. AstLinux comes with a dmz-dnat plugin, the idea 
is to move a pre-existing router from the WAN to AstLinux's LAN with a static 
IP address and configure the plugin which internally performs a  " -j DNAT 
--to-destination $DMZ_IP " *all* traffic not allowed directly into AstLinux.  
WARNING - this plugin was written many years ago and has not been tested as 
thoroughly as I would like to see for production purposes.  Though if there are 
issues with the dmz-dnat plugin they could be remedied.

Lonnie


On Mar 3, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Michael Knill <michael.kn...@ipcsolutions.com.au> 
wrote:

> Hi all
>  
> Im looking to push my Astlinux business this year and this will rely heavily 
> on partners. These partners will usually be IT Service providers that have a 
> number of small business customers and that they want to add voice as a value 
> add product.
>  
> Now here is where the problem lies. Most of these providers would currently 
> be maintaining the site firewall but as Astlinux is designed to be on the 
> edge, its an issue. So what do you do?
> 1)       Put Astlinux in front of their firewall and open up the necessary 
> ports and protocols. The problem here is that they lose flexibility in what 
> they can do and there is another provider in the mix. Its also a problem if 
> they are retailing the broadband connection for the site with too many 
> dependencies.
> 2)       Put their firewall on an Astlinux DMZ with a public IP Address. They 
> now have more flexibility and I can control Qos. Still issues with being 
> reliant on another provider and additional IP Addresses can be expensive or 
> unobtainable. I assume I can actually do this with Astlinux!
> 3)       Put Astlinux as a DMZ in their firewall with a public IP Address. 
> They now have complete control however QoS would need to be configured on the 
> firewall and additional IP Addresses can be expensive or unobtainable. PS 
> this is the model I have with one of my partners
> 4)       Sit behind the firewall and rely on port forwarding and/or ALG’s. 
> Inviting trouble but possible if you have a known working configuration
>  
> Im interested to know what others are doing in this space.
>  
> Regards
> Michael Knill




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