On 11/5/05, Thomas Broyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Luke Arno wrote:
> > There are feeds and some of the members of some of
> > them are editable. The concept that "public feeds" are
> > a separate animal from APP "collections" is meaningless.
> > Public to who?
> >
> s/public feed/"subscribable" feed/
> (or feed meant to be subscribed to?)
>

So it is just how you intend them to be used?

Buttering toast or striping a wire: a knife is still
a knife.

> It might be possible to drop the distinction between feeds and
> collections but this might a bit too early as it might have impacts on
> other things in the protocol (e.g. ordering collection List feed
> documents using app:modified instead of atom:updated, list-template
> without "GET on the collection URI" –where collection URI =
> app:collection/@href in protocol-06–, etc.)
>

Again, I do not think that collections are feeds.
"Collections listings" are feeds.

I think collections don't exist.

I am not trying to replace on metaphor with the
other. I am just trying to get rid of collections.

I am -1 on the whole modified thing anyway.

> My opinion however is too keep a distinction between feeds (as things
> that subscribe to, having RSS or Atom Feed Document representations) and
> collections (as things you sync' AtomPP clients with –using an Atom Feed
> Document representation or another format along the line of protocol-04
> Collection Document– and HTTP POST resource representations to).
> Using an Atom Feed Document representation for both uses is not enough
> to call them the same.

But "I am using one in my blog client and one in my
aggregator" is not enough to say that our listings
(of our imaginary collections) are not feeds.

> Moreover, this distinction doesn't necessarily prevent using the same
> Atom Feed Document representation at the same URI for both uses (i.e.
> the collection URI is also the feed URI readers will subscribe to).
>

- We have a feed to list entries.
- We have a place to POST entries.

What exactly is a collection and what does it do?

I have posed this pseudo koan before:

Is a hammer not a hammer when I am not
whacking something with it?

- Luke

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