Girls and guys, I would not be asking this question if I had not "heard" (I mean it!) better...! Now you might be right, or you might be wrong, that out of the touch, it won't get better. But there is live after the touch... I lately had the opportunity to have a listeing session with the wifi/lan/etc. streaming DAC of resolution audio, and I have dealt with music sufficiently long to know, that this was closer to live than what I get out my touch. However, I am not sure, where the biggest room for improvement lies.
@TheOctavist: If you read my initial post here, you have seen, that I have a rather decent dac connected... @TheOctavist #2: "it gets no better than perfect, friend". Well friend. You are right. But we ar still far away from perfect. Many so called "audiophiles" know music only from audio. Well there, it does not surprise anyobody, that they find audio just perfect. But some among us intimately know the natural, direct, unaltered sound of instruments (im mean the real natural direct sound, not just impressions out of amplified concerts...!!!) and some among us try to transport a slight memory of this (THIS) feeling into the 4 walls of our home. That is, why we know, that we are still not there, where "perfect" begins. And we continue looking for improvement, just to get a bit closer and again a bit closer... I can't talk for everybody here, just for me: I dont think the word "audiophile" matches, what I am looking for. Its not audio. Its just those short moments of the illusion of real music, trying to make them last longer and the illusion even more perfect... "musicophile" maybe??? I don't care. How old or young are you, Octavist? Do you remenber back there in 1982: "perfect sound forever", Philipps and Sony called out, that audio equipment development had reached its top forever, the peak, Mount Everest. Now way to go further. Happyness without compromise. Well for 10 years, they said: A zero is a zero. A one is a one. Nothing can be changed or altered there. Its simple: just perfect. Nobody believed that there were other things they just had not SEEN. Well. it took 10 years!!!! Then they discovered the impact of "jitter" ;-) ! What we don't know today, is, what it is that makes equal strems of 0 and 1 sound differently, when thrown through different cables, different DACs that have the same chips built in, but different DC supplies. Etc. But those people who realy listen, and who really care for (its not bad if you don't, its just a choice!!!), these people indeed DO notice the difference. If you put sufficient empiric experiencies together, you will notice, that they match what is needed for a significant statistical difference that would be enough for the scientifical proof, that there IS a difference, even if we might not yet know, what the cause of it is. So its not just "rainbows" - its sciense. Yet not phyisical sciense, but statistical. The physicians still have to figure out where it comes from. They might eventually open wide their eyes and discover a new word, just as they discovered "jitter" one surprising moring... Do it like Aristoteles told us: Measure, what you can measure. And make measurable, what you cannot measure yet. (What he did not say, but its self-evident: Do not just ignore IT because you don't have the instruments yet, to measure IT). So long for "perfect"... you provoked me :) I did not want to enter into this discussion, as it is really odd... Some believe in what they see on a measuring screen, others believe what they hear, some hear differences, others not. Lets everybody live in peace together :) So to reiniterate the question: I am NOT (NOT!!!) asking whether the Touch is perfect or not!!! I am just asking, what is the best way to get digital s/pdif or usb data out of a squeezebox (be it touch, transporter or whatever), to feed a good DAC. Has anyone made other (listening!!!) experiencies??? Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ diego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40897 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95031 _______________________________________________ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
