At 06:11 PM 11/14/2016, you wrote:
I compete at the very lowest level. But that
is still a lot more that Mike Borgelt (these days).
Actually I go to a useful sampling of briefings by visiting contests nowadays.
My 2cents worth is that there might be something
to be learned at the daily briefing. A lot of
pilots have already looked at the linked web sites but they still turn up.
Because they are required to.
Another benefit is that everyone has been
briefed (assuming they attend the daily briefing).
Who cares? If you rock up at the wrong runway you
won't get launched. The rest is the personal
responsibility of the pilot in command to be
adequately briefed for the flight. It is even a Regulation i.e law of the land.
Thirdly there is often operational information
(duty runway, landing instructions, commercial
traffic etc, which is delivered at the daily briefing)Â
All of which can be delivered by email or
website. We aren't talking about eliminating the
briefing, just the method of delivery.
As for safety briefings, you'll be given the
NOTAMS and official Area forecast and it is a
simple matter to include a NOTAM like few
sentences on any safety issues. At least then
they are easy to reference at any time.
The rest of civil aviation self briefs and files
flight plans via internet. I saw a disastrous
long briefing 5 years ago at a contest where what
to do after finishing turned into the most
confusing advice possible. Fortunately nobody got
hurt but the advised procedures were highly
dangerous and it betrayed the fact that the
briefer had no idea of the legal obligations of pilots.
The daily briefing is exactly the wrong place for
pilots to raise safety issues. I've seen that
degenerate quickly into acrimony and confusion at
briefings all too often. If you have one as a
result of yesterday you should have gone to the
organisers after flying so they can make a
considered response the next day. You email in
your IGC file, just email in a short missive on your safety concern.
Way back when I started contest flying (1969)
there was really no alternative to a daily
physical presence briefing. Typewriters and hand
writing were the only way get a hard copy of any
information and I don't remember seeing any
typewriters at contests. The organisers would
transfer what they got to a blackboard and pilots
would be told it and copy down the task and any
other information and prepare their paper maps.
Once computers and cheap printers and copying
became available physical briefing could have
been replaced by a printed A4 sheet to be picked
up at a specified time. With the advent of tablet
computers and laptops you can eliminate the printed paper.
Physically going to briefing is disruptive to
your glider preparation and there is a fatigue
issue anyway in long contests. You can work
around the preparation issue but what happens
when something goes wrong with either your glider or your car?
Lastly, it is a recurring question here - what is
happening at xxxx at the contest. By publishing
the daily brief on the net it is available to all
who may be interested just as soon as the pilots
get it. We do want publicity even amongst glider pilots don't we?
I hear the VSA State contest at Ararat has been
cancelled due lack of interest. Only 23
Australians flew yesterday at Waikerie at the Club/Sports Nationals.
Mike
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 4:08 PM, james dutschke
<<mailto:james.m.dutsc...@gmail.com>james.m.dutsc...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike,
Due to the importance of the safety aspect of a
daily briefing at a comp I think it may be
unwise to go fully electronic for the daily
brief. There is a certain amount of presence and
weighting that can only be achieved via face to
face contact. Not that Im regular a comp pilot
but I don't think id like to see the morning
brief go entirely. Perhaps components like the
weather could be slimmer with readily available
tools, like Matthew Scutters amazing weather
forecastingÂ
program,(<https://skysight.io/>https://skysight.io/).
WPP's winning videos on Facebook are way too entertaining to miss anyways.
My 0.5c - with a shameless plug included for free.
James.
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Mike Borgelt
<<mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com>mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com>
wrote:
Matt,
My sister teaches online courses in English as
Second Language. Maybe you should take one?
Seriously, the morning briefing disrupts the
preparation of the glider for the day and turns
what is usually a long day into a longer one.
The organisers must prepare the material anyway
which largely, as far as weather is concerned,
is simply a bunch of links to various websites.
A simple summary of why the particular task has
been set and the actual task description plus
any safety considerations/social notices can
be simply put on a website and the time this
will happen be notified. An email list could
even be created so people are notified (or a text message sent).
This then serves the double purpose of notifying
the contestants and anyone else interested and
saves everyone's time. All forms of aviation
including gliding are now heavily internet based
so I'm not sure what he physical presence of
everyone in one place every day (probably still
want an initial brief on the practice day), before flying, achieves.
Social activities can still be around the bar
after flying, including awards for daily wins.
Mike
At 01:17 PM 11/12/2016, you wrote:
Mike,
nice of you to volunteer to handle publishing tasks and info for the comp.
Or you could look here -
<https://www.livetrack24.com/events/waik2016>https://www.livetrack24.com/events/waik2016
No idea if they are actually flying though.
On 12 Nov 2016, at 12:32 , Mike Borgelt
<<mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com>
mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> wrote:
Dunno, but maybe they ought to give up on
physically getting together for briefing and
simply post the required information on a
webpage. That way everyone can know what is happening.
Mike
At 11:00 AM 11/12/2016, you wrote:
what are they doing TODAY??
ron
On 12 November 2016 at 11:57, Mike Borgelt
<<mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com>
mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> wrote:
Anthony,
The storms weren't just through Adelaide.
Quite extensive areas through the Riverland.
Mike
At 10:17 AM 11/12/2016, you wrote:
As far as I know gliders were derigged and
in trailers or hangars.ÃÂ The storm came
from the NW and continued to the SE, so
Waikerie did not see the same storm as Adelaide.
Ã
I was at Elizabeth and we only had
relatively small hail except at the end of
the storm where I heard a couple of big hail
stones shattering on the roof. Enough for me
to put some neoprene sheet over the car in
the hope that it would soften the impacts.
Ã
Justine was at home and collected a sample
of the hailstones that hit Adelaide much larger.ÃÂ See attached.
Ã
Anthony
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