well, when i membership sec of Southern Cross more than 1/3 of members had 
instructor ratings. mind you only a fraction of that were active. many were 
over 70 years old, i dont remember but maybe half?

what percentage of australian members are over 75 now?

is there a population age cliff we are fall off?







> On 2 Feb 2017, at 12:02 AM, Mark Newton <new...@atdot.dotat.org> wrote:
> 
> Registration doesn’t expire, so an aircraft stays on the register even if 
> it’s wrecked in a blown-over trailer in a corner of a gliding field that its 
> deceased owner hasn’t visited for ten years.
> 
> The real point of interest is the number of form-2 kits the GFA sells each 
> year.
> 
> Mandy Temple’s “Mande-news” on June 10 last year included an extract from the 
> GFA’s Salesforce database, which said there were 738 gliders with a current 
> form-2 as of that date.
> 
> So - slightly over half of the total number of registered gliders are 
> airworthy.
> 
> The same extract said 2584 members flew GFA aircraft for 115,100 hours from 
> 68,200 launches in 2015-16 (based on form-2 returns).  That means every 
> airworthy GFA aircraft averaged 156 hours and 92 launches, making the average 
> GFA aircraft flight 102 minutes long.
> 
> Not sure what to make of that. Must be some absolute bladder-buster long 
> endurance flights to compensate for the thousands of 6 minute circuits all 
> the winch clubs spend most of the winter flying.
> 
> Also means the average GFA member logs about 45 hours per year. Once again, 
> some pilots must be absolutely cranking out the hours to make up for the 
> trainees who only log between 5 and 20 hours per year.
> 
> The other weird numbers worth noting: GFA had issued 932 GPCs, and had 189 
> AEIs, 97 Level 1 instructors, 306 Level 2 instructors, and 97 Level 3 
> instructors. That’s 689 members with instructor ratings (out of 2584 total — 
> over a quarter of GFA’s membership base), and each Level 3 having their very 
> own personal Level 1 to train. 
> 
> Let me put it another way: There’s an instructor for every three 
> non-instructor GFA members.
> 
> The ratio is even stranger if you compare instructor headcount to GPC 
> holders, and observe that 689 of those 932 GPCs are actually supposed to be 
> instructors.
> 
> I reckon GFA members get instructor ratings instead of Level-2 Independent 
> Ops.  If you want to fly club aircraft whenever you want without needing 
> anyone’s permission, nearly 700 members have worked out that it’s easier to 
> get an instructor rating than a Level 2 Independent Operator rating. Also 
> easier to get a crew organized if you’re an instructor and you offer to run a 
> day.
> 
> That’s a perverse outcome, isn't it?  I mean, in an ideal world, it wouldn’t 
> be that way?
> 
>   - mark
> 
> 
> 
>> On 1 Feb 2017, at 6:04 PM, steph...@internode.on.net wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From the aircraft register of  2013
>> 
>> 1220 gliders and motor gliders
>> 
>> 950 privately owned
>> 
>> 270 owned by clubs/cadets/societies etc.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> last year
>> 
>> 1276 gliders and motor gliders (+4.6%, 56 actual)
>> 
>> 981 privately owned (+3.3%, 31 actual)
>> 
>> 295 owned by clubs/cadets/societies etc. (+9.3%, 25 actual)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Only about 3 years difference, I'd be reluctant to say too much about 
>> trends, have to go back and dig up a really old one. But private ownership 
>> (in absolute terms) increasing more than club ownership (and as others will 
>> point out, only about half of the gliders in Australia are given an annual 
>> in any one year, so it all may be moot anyway).
>> 
>> gliders on the register newer than 3 years old in 2016 - (64 total)
>> 
>> 36 private
>> 
>> 28 club
>> 
>> Of those 64 new gliders 18 "pure" (mostly DG1000s, and 10 of them air 
>> cadets), 46 with some sort of motor. That's a clue to the future right there.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> For pilot flying times, much more difficult to get a handle on.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> to put a different spin on it, how about asking some different questions
>> 
>> 1) how many gliders are there now?
>> 
>> 2) how many are privately owned (percentage change)?
>> 
>> 3) have the annual flown hours per pilot gone up or down?
>> 
>> 
>> 
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