I was the weight control officer who weighed the glider referred to
earlier.  It was NOT overweight at the time of the tragic accident.  As it
happens, I was also the tug pilot who saw the accident occur and made the
Mayday call.  Robert

On Mon, 3 Dec. 2018, 05:42 Richard Frawley <rjfraw...@gmail.com wrote:

> It is my limited understand that the following stands.
>
> The nature of the relationship between Aviation Federal Law) and CASA
> being it’s agent) and the pilot is direct. The responsibility for
> operational weight and balance is directly with the pilot and non other.
>
> In the aspect of weight and balance the manufacturer determines the strict
> measures and the pilot must adhere to reference either of placard or manual.
>
> The weighting of the glider in competition it’s primarily to prevent
> cheating and assists to some degree with operational safety but cannot
> under the law, assume any responsibility for that in prime.
>
> Any lawyers with direct experience knowledge may wish to correct my simple
> framing.
>
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>
> On 2 Dec 2018, at 10:53 pm, Ross McLean <ross...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> James
>
> I wonder if you have ever been to a National Gliding Championship?
>
>
>
> Because if you had you would of course know that prior to the start of the
> competition each and every competing glider is taken over the scales,
> (usually set up inside a hangar to get true weight), with full ballast,
> cockpit drinking water, parachute, oxygen and pilot. The actual measured
> weight is compared to the manufacturers published reference all up weight
> for that glider and the glider must be compliant before it is allowed to
> compete.  The glider is then weighed again with the wing and tail dolly
> fitted and the aircraft attached to the tow out vehicle.  This measured
> weight is then used during random weight checks throughout the comp.
>
>
>
> For you to suggest otherwise is quite simply an indication of your genuine
> ignorance of how things are done at Australian National Gliding Comps.
>
>
>
> Cheers, ROSS
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________________________________
>
>  *Ross McLean*
>
>
>
> *From:* Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au
> <aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au>] *On Behalf Of *James McDowall
> *Sent:* Sunday, 2 December 2018 5:06 PM
> *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Nationals at NRM
>
>
>
> I wonder if the Narromine Contest Director has checked that no aircraft
> are being flown by overweight pilots - eg 105kg pilot with 7kg parachute +
> food and water, in a glider with a maximum 105kg max pilot weight glider.
> Also has the aircraft been weighed since instruments, oxy or other
> additions made?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 3:17 PM Ron Sanders <resand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Guys, are there any blogs facebooks going where one can vicariously
> participate??
>
>
>
> Ron
>
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