Certainly do the ABCDE-P _before_ getting in and having another person to
monitor you once you are in the cockpit cannot do you any harm, and it may
even save your life. For an example (non-life threatening though) I once
did a walk round and for some reason (I cannot remember why) left an
under-wing inspection flap on a Blanik open. My wing-man noticed it.
PeterS.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Giddy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] ABCD-P (was A320 incident)
> Peter,
> You seem to be saying that you think it is better to do the
> "Controls in correct sense" with the help of another person.
> Why is that better than doing it yourself from outside the
> cockpit before you get in ?
> John G.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peter Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 5:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] ABCD-P (was A320 incident)
>
>
> | At a Club in the UK, they do NOT do the walk around (which
> made me
> | uncomfortable) but do a control check with the pilot
> seated in the a/c with
> | the wingman checking the correct movement of the surfaces.
> I think we
> | should adopt that here too (and continue the walk round),
> as well as wear
> | parachutes in two seaters like them.
> |
> | PeterS.
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "L Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:16 PM
> | Subject: RE: [aus-soaring] ABCD-P (was A320 incident)
> |
> |
> | > What can be guessed from the previous posts on this
> topic is that the ABCD
> | > or similar is pretty much a standard part of pre-flight
> checks in some
> | > regions but not others. I was astounded to learn some
> years ago that at
> | > least a 'walk-around' wasn't even a standard procedure
> in some regions. I
> | > believe this has since been addressed.
> | >
> | > Two key elements of any check...the process fosters
> consideration of those
> | > things which you can set, and then forget (at least at
> that stage of the
> | > flight); any check shouldn't include a check upon a
> check, as this
> | > undermines the process itself.
> | >
> | > Dennis Matthews is to be congratulated for his foresight
> and Ben Murphy
> | for
> | > his self discipline. While there are grounds for
> proposing a development
> | of
> | > Ben's 'P' (if you'll excuse the expression), there are
> also gounds to
> | argue
> | > that ABCD could be minimised to eliminate a check upon a
> check. The 'A'
> | > airframe inspection/walk-around should logically include
> the read of the
> | > Maintenance Release to determine the official status of
> the airframe, and
> | > will also determine whether there is a tail dolly or
> removable handling
> | bar
> | > still attached.
> | >
> | > This lead us to the possibility of dropping a 'D' and
> taking a 'P'.
> | Sorry,
> | > I couldn't resist!
> | >
> | > Laurie Hoffman
> | >
> | > -----Original Message-----
> | > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Derek
> | > Ruddock
> | > Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2001 14 01
> | > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | > Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] ABCD-P (was A320 incident)
> | >
> | >
> | > It was originated at Southern Cross by Dennis Matthews
> when he was CFI,
> | many
> | > (20+) years ago.
> | > He tried, unsuccessfully to get it officially adopted,
> by the GFA. You
> | won't
> | > find it in any 'official' documentation. Obviously
> people were
> | sufficiently
> | > convinced of it's usefulness to unofficially adopt it.
> | > Quick straw poll: is there any club that doesn't use
> ABCD (apart from Mike
> | > B) ?
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/06/01 13:06:13 >>>
> | > Not to be someone who likes adding "me too"'s, but
> Leeton Gliding Club
> | > also teaches the ABCD as described below. We have as far
> as I can recall
> | > (7 years), and I personally was always under the
> impression that it was
> | > standard GFA practice. From what I can gather earlier,
> it sounds like it
> | > isnt written anywhere, but I havent looked anything up
> as yet. Perhaps
> | > there is someone that does know if it is written or not,
> as I am now
> | > quite curious. It seems that there are a lot of Clubs
> teaching / using
> | > the check, so it begs the question if there are any that
> are not?
> | >
> | > Just to add my own little bit, on appropriate occasions,
> I use a
> | > slightly modified pre-boarding check:
> | > ABCD-P or ABCDP
> | > "P" being parachute. Something that was never included
> in any other
> | > pre-flight check I was taught. The only place I have
> seen it is on the
> | > German pre-flight check that is still glued to the
> inside of our Hornet
> | > cockpit. I believe that if you are going to go to the
> trouble of wearing
> | > a parachute, why not check it.
> | > The main things I would check:
> | > - is it on properly and comfortably (if comfort is an
> option).
> | > - is it in current re-pack status
> | > - do I know where the rip cord is, in the event that I
> should (heaven
> | > forbid) have to use it
> | >
> | > The final check has the added advantage for new
> parachutes of helping
> | > you to make sure that you don't snag the rip cord handle
> on anything on
> | > the way in or out of the cockpit. The one time I have
> seen this done was
> | > quite funny, as the spring loaded drouge chute made
> quite a mess, but
> | > was probably quite dangerous, and actually quite
> inconvenient.
> | >
> | > Anyway - My 22c worth,
> | > Ben Murphy
> | > Treasurer - Leeton Gliding Club
> | >
> | > ----------------------------------------------
> | > John G.
> | > We at Mangalore Gliding Club also use and teach the ABCD
> check. It is a
> | > good habit to acquire.
> | >
> | > Allan Armistead
> | > We've been doing the ABCD in Canberra for years (and
> years and years...)
> | >
> | > Brian Wade
> | > The A, B, C, D check, as described by Derek, is alive
> and well at
> | > Caboolture Gliding Club.
> | >
> | > Derek Ruddock wrote:
> | >
> | > > A check introduced by Dennis Matthews, at Southern
> Cross, is the ABCD
> | > > check performed by the glider pilot berfore each
> flight:
> | > > A- Aircraft: a walk around the aircraft checking for
> sudden
> | > unserviceabilities eg tyre deflation, or damage from the
> previous
> | > flight, such as landing damage or overstressing
> | > > B. Ballast: Fitted or removed as required
> | > > C Controls: Operating in the correct sense
> | > > D: Di completed, Dolly not fitted
> | > >
> | > > I believe Dennis made attempts to get this check
> accepted by the GFA
> | > > as standard procedure many years ago, with no success.
> | > >
> | > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/06/01 7:51:01
> Wrote:
> | > > ...
> | > >
> | > > Something power pilots do and most glider pilots don't
> is to actually
> | > > walk around the aircraft and grab, wiggle and inspect
> things before
> | > > going to the cockpit and doing the above check. Who
> knows what has
> | > > happened to the aircraft since the morning DI? ....
> | > >
> | >
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