Anybody else think the same? The question of who does the medicals affects all glider pilots, and it is not just the medicos who should be deciding on this who have a vested interest.
PeterS who applied to be a DAME 10 years ago when I was starting a new practice and when I had spare appointments. I was told that there were not enough customers for the existing DAME's. I now cannot do them as I have no time so I am pleased. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Wade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Peter Stephenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Recreational Licenses > Peter and Phil, > > Might I suggest that you continue your medical discussions on a 1 to 1 > basis. > > > -- > Brian Wade > > Personal Computer Concepts > > Uniform Time > http://www.uniformtime.com.au > > PO Box 114 INDOOROOPILLY QLD 4068 > Ph: 07 3371 2944 Fax: 07 3870 4103 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Rosewarne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:00 PM > Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Recreational Licenses > > > > Hi Peter, > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Stephenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Recreational Licenses > > > > > > > Hi Phil, > > > > > > Where is the evidence that GP medical certificates which are required at > > the > > > moment for instructors and AEI's have let us down? > > > > I dont have this evidence myself and it would be hard to get evidence in > > solo cross country pilots that proved their fatal accident was due to > > medical causes, which includes heat stress and fatigue . > > > > > However, I do think DAME's should be used for commercial power pilots > only > > > where the physical demands are much greater than flying gliders. But I > > have > > > no evidence to support that assertion, just a gut feeling. > > > > On the contrary, Gliding is a very stressful sport when we sit in hot > > canopies after running around a hot airfield in summer. Most CPL pilots > > will have much better working conditions with significantly less physical > > stressors. > > > > > And as you probably realise, our medical examinations give us false > sense > > of > > > security. They will not detect such things as berry aneurysms in the > brain > > > which can rupture and incapacitate very suddenly. Will all pilots > require > > a > > > head scan with contrast in the future? > > > > Risks are based on probability in aviation medicine and picking on rare > > events will not help as these obviously will not be excluded due to the > > costs involved. > > > > > PS Is your charge at your discretion or set by CASA? > > > > Charges are set by the GP based on a long consult as this was recommended > by > > CASA in the past. My charge is about 2/3 of the AMA fee I believe. > > > > Phil > > > > P.S. I repeat my point: in my experience I have seen several non flying > > GPs tell patients that that they are fit to fly when they definitely are > > not. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Phil Rosewarne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:06 AM > > > Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Recreational Licenses > > > > > > > > > > Hi Peter, > > > > > > > > I do not think this is something that should be opposed. > > > > I am a DAME qualified GP and admit that someone like you who has an > > > > interest in aviation is most likely interested enough to be aware of > > most > > > > of the pitfalls of medical related aviation problems BUT in my > > experience > > > > the average non flying GP has OFTEN told patients that I have seen > that > > > > they are fit to fly when the definitely are not > > > > This is a significant risk and this is why CASA are so particular > about > > > > DAME's having to have certificate in aviation medicine (ACCAM) before > > they > > > > get the job.. As you would be aware it IS a specialty field. > > > > There is of course lots of paper work which adds significantly to the > > time > > > > for the DAME and this is why I charge $80 plus GST and I recognise > this > > > > problem too, but I assure you it is done, in my case, for the love of > > the > > > > sport, as I certainly do not make a profit from aviation medicals when > I > > > > have to keep going to courses to keep up the accreditation. > > > > I imagine the only dame who makes a profit from his medicals is the > one > > > who > > > > works in association with a large company. > > > > There is also the litigation issue these days as CASA will back the > > DAME, > > > > whereas an independent GP will be liable if there is an accident with > > any > > > > hint of medical incapitation after he has certified him. > > > > If your child was about to fly as a passenger with an unknown pilot > > > wouldn't > > > > you like to be assured of BOTH their pilot skills AND their health and > > be > > > > confident they had no hidden medical problems. > > > > > > > > Phil Rosewarne > > > > > > > > From: "Peter Stephenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:41 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Recreational Licenses > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Brian has written sounds good to me too. > > > > > > > > > > However, the one problem which needs to be opposed by GFA is the > > > > > requirement to have DAME (Designated Aviation Medical Examiners) > > > carrying > > > > > out the medicals for passenger carrying which is in the proposed > > > licence. > > > > I > > > > > am a non-DAME medico (family doctor) and feel that the family doctor > > is > > > > more > > > > > than adequate to carry them out. DAME's are a restricted breed of > > > medico > > > > > and their charge of $75 + GST (could be more now) is set by the > > > Department > > > > > (?CASA). I have a power licence as well as an AEI, and have to see > > one > > > > > every two years. > > > > > > > > > > PeterS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. > > > > * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message > > > > * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. > > > * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message > > > * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. > > * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message > > * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information. > > > > > -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information.
