I have been sitting on this mail for a while to see if the situation would change.
 
 
 
Having started my 13 year old training this year  feel I am in an almost unique position to comment.   I have a few observations in respect to  low retention rates of juniors amd the relative sucess of air cadets.
 
1. We have so far made 7 trips to the gliding club for training purposes. we arrive at 10:00am, help rig and clean the gliders then if we are lucky get 2 flights each. The first flight has never happened before 3:00 pm due to passengers who arrive hours after us, taking priority. This is not unique to this club either. (Try explaining this to a modern 13 yo)
 
2. There is NO !!!!!  system of rostering flghts so unless you actively push yourself forward you could wait all day. This is a totally unsatisfactory situation and IMHO the root cause of the problems.
 
 
3. We recently attended at an aerotow club so I could give the boy a shot in a glass ship. We were told we would have to wait for the duty instructor-who was constantly flying for 1 and a half hours and eventually I had to go out to the flght line and get his attention.
His response was we would have to wait again for several hours. Meanwhile in that time 6 passengers had arrived and flown and left. (Try explaining this to a modern 13 yo)We left in disgust.
 
 This is doubly ironic as the president of this club had recently told me this sort of thing was no longer was a problem(It was the first club I trained with years ago and left because of lack of progress due to only getting 2 flghts per day 20 years ago!!!! )
 
I consider 3 flghts the minimum for any progress less than this on any one day is a waste of money the trainee takes at least one flght to establish a rapport with the glider again, one during which sopmething is learned, and then the third allows practice of acquired skill.  
 
4. The reason for the sucess of aircadets is probably they do not expect young people to hang around all day on the off  chance they may get to fly. If they turn up they know they will get a shot most likely in an pre-arranged order.
 
5. It seems to me the bulk of glider pilots in Aust trained many years ago and have no idea what it is like from the trainees perspective.
I personally had a much interuppted training such that I basically went thru the process twice. Once at a major capital city club that operated 7 days a week yet still with 2 two seaters and instructors I was lucky to get 2 flghts a day making progress VERY slow AND expensive. The second was a 5 day course at a commercial operation. In this case I easily solo'd in 26 flights despite a ten year hiatus from training.
 
6.Despite all this my son is still keen but if this sort of thing continues he wil definately drop out before too long and I dont blame him.
it is ok for the instructors and solo pilots who have an option to fly at any time but the trainee simply waits and wonders, and then wanders away.
 
7.As for myself I of course am lucky to get to fly at all as any flight I have is one less my son gets, so despite 7 visits I still am not close to having my winch endorsment.
 
8.Soaring as a sport/hobby eventually die if we stick to these outdated practices.In the year 2003 there are too many options for young people that actually provide no excessive waiting  during training, and obviously young peolple expect service
 
In no way does this reflect on my club it is the simple fact at nearly every  non commercial gliding club I have been to in SA. 
 
How many juniors do we lose every year I wonder?
 
Regards and Seasons greetings to all.\
 
Dave Lawley
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Youth in soaring

At 19:39 02-09-03 +1000, Ian (Macka) wrote:
I could name many ex RAF Aircadets who are now in Oz and are in gliding here. I think if GFA were to throw a few dollars towards the air cadets would be money well spent. I personally learnt while a university student

Roger wrote in reply to Leigh
When you come to comment on the British gliding scene and youth involvment, another factor is present.  This is the English Air Training Corps.
Whether this factor has in reality been important to UK youth involvement in mainstream gliding I have no idea.


I can blame the UK Air Cadet movement for my start in gliding, and aviation in general - I then administered a UK University gliding club for 3 years - and if Mr B wants a scapegoat for my being in Australia that is it, as I came here to watch the 1974 Waikerie Worlds, and am still here!

Hopefully the results of 600+ hours of instructing, a few comps I have helped organise, and some of the administration (and the dreaded bureaucracy) things that make life easier or less regulated by non-glider-pilots - and others yet to see the light of day - will justify my existence as a contributor to our sphere of activity. 

We could always either pretend the rest of aviation didn't exist ( in which it would most likely pretend we did not exist, with a far greater predictive validity likelihood in 10 years' time), or go off and fly where there was nobody else to bother us and where it didn't matter if we had any rules or not - but I think we are more likely to have a positive influence on the rest of aviation by being part of the mainstream and administering ourselves so as to earn some respect from the other people who also use the sky, whether for mass transportation, national infrastructure, defence or their own pleasure.

Turning to the UK competition scene, it is worthy of note that a vast majority of those gaining success in international soaring sport are at least second-generation soaring pilots.  I'm sure this isn't lost on young Mr Woolley - all strength to his arm.

Wombat
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