From: Mark Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 07:38:10PM +1100, adam ianson wrote:

 > Just have a look at www.joeyglide.com to see how we are trying to get
 > the younger gerneration envovled in the sport, it seems you have put
 > down people like Nick Gilbert , Adam Woolley, myself and every Junior
 > and Coach  who are trying to push and enforce Juniors into clubs so
 > they can enjoy the sport with other juniors and  get advice from the
 > older generation.

i.e., he's behaving like one of the OFITTH's I was talking about.  "Young
people are a wasted investment" my arse.

I love what the JoeyGlide people have done.  In about a year they've
managed to get heaps of kids into gliding and have organized a
national youth competitio that simply didn't exist in 2003.  It's
amazing.

It's also notable that the only way they've been able to do it
is by completely and utterly divorcing themselves from the OFITTH's
and going it alone.

Surprising bullshit from you, Mark. And I think I've had enough of the polite hand-wringing that's been going on.


NOT ONE JUNIOR would have flown at Joeyglide without the generous assistance of dozens of geriatric old farts. Starting with the ones who loaned the kids their gliders. Continuing with the ones who donated time - including the geriatric tug pilots - and the geriatric coaches - and the geriatrics who flew in the other seat of the two-seaters - and including the ones who "just" donated money - which actually represents time in their own youth - that they spent earning that money. It didn't grow on trees, Mark baby.

Finally, the geriatric instructors who taught the kids in their free time in the first place in the clubs built and run by geriatric old farts flying gliders bought and paid for by those idiot geriatrics.

With the notable exception of a few helpful
old fogeys, the Junior Nationals were largely a grass-roots organized
competition.

Crap. Almost every part of the organisation was done after old men had taught them how to or using systems old men had put in place.


And look at the difference in vibracy (is that a
word? :-) between this forum and the JoeyGlide yahoo group...

Yes. It's what you'd expect with an average age difference of about 40 years. If I can stand the juvenalia and crap spelling on Yahoo, you can stand the inanities, pedantry and sheer stupidity of this group. If we both want to go gliding, I'll have to put up with you and you'll have to put up with me.


Seriously, people:  If you're wondering why more people don't join
gliding clubs, you need to look *very* close to home.  Do you know
anyone whom you can objectively say is "part of the problem"?  Are
*YOU* part of the problem?

Yes I am - and I'm part of the solution too. Just like you. And there has to be room for BOTH of us. Let's ALL cut out the stereotypes. As Don said, you mightn't like the company of old farts but there would be NO gliding without them.


Now let me put bluntly again what I said once before. As with most other worthwhile areas of life, if the kids want to take over gliding, they'll have to take it from those who built it. When they have enough skill, cunning, time and money, they'll get it. Not before. It's too worthwhile to be handed to them on a platter for them to trash.

  :)

Graeme Cant


- mark

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