Having a look at the protocol and devices used and will get to see one in Germany in a few weeks, it is possible to sell an Aussie made version for under $500.00 if the interest is here to do so, possibly even less if the numbers support it. The transceiver module is the same as we use in another GPS project we are currently developing, outside of aviation use but has the same range and similar messaging and uses the same Ublox GPS engine.
Current price out of Germany is EURO625.00 which by the time it gets here and add GST its already over $1,000 Cheers Nigel RF Developments Pty Ltd "A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics" Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **************DISCLAIMER************ The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Kidd Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:08 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: Fw: [Aus-soaring] FLARM I suggest that you go to http://www.gliderforum.com/thread-view.asp?threadid=1780&posts=21 and have a look at the comments of those that use it. While it is only a tiny sample, it is very positive. I suggest that to not implement a system because it will encourage bad scanning habits and stop pilots looking out of the cockpit, is an incorrect argument. We will never have a situation where all aircraft are equipped, so a good lookout will always be essential. On the other hand an additional warning will be invaluable ... and lifesaving. We have Aussies competing in Europe at the moment. I wonder what they will say about Flarm when they get back? Regards ----- Original Message ----- From: "jorgie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 8:17 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [Aus-soaring] FLARM >I too want to be safe, however, I would be somewhat concerned if we >just >decided to implement something like this without somebody providing some >scientific results of it's use. > > The issues we may have is with the large number of new "toys" that we > are > finding in the cockpits of gliders. A lot of which are taking the pilots > attention from outside of the aircraft to the inside. > > In fact it's not uncommon to find some new pilots who have never know > any > different and think that you "need" all of this technology to fly long > distances. > > Part of the problem has got to be pilots not looking out of the > cockpit, > the other part has got to be how difficult it is to see other gliders, esp > head on. The third part is simply that we can do all things at once and > sometimes you will simply never see the other aircraft in which case > something along these lines would indeed save lives. > > Bernard Eckey has just ordered some new tips for his 25 which he has > asked > to high intensity leds (I believe) to be fitted to see if that improves > the ability of other pilots to see his aircraft. Bernard, perhaps you > could enlighten us to exactly what you've done. > > I'd be interested if somebody can point me towards some information > regarding these FLARMs. > > Regards > > Sean > > > > > > > ---- Geoff Kidd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Mike >> > >> > If this Flarm system or something better (and immediately available) > is > not >> > picked up and implemented this year as the system of choice for OZ, > then > the >> > Pilots, Owners and the umbrella organization all need to have a good > hard >> > look at themselves. >> > >> > As previously mentioned by others in this Forum, the key is that > all/most >> > Sailplanes need to be fitted for it to be effective. >> > >> > Given the reports back from Europe, the key issues for us are simply: >> > >> > a Is this the best available system? >> > b Is something better on the horizon that is soon to supersede it? >> > c Is Flarm the defacto standard in Europe? >> > d What is the best way to implement it here? >> > >> > All of the above seems to be an appropriate role for the GFA to take, >> > action, publicise and provide the necessary leadership in this key > area. > But >> > a long evaluation and decision making time is not warranted and in my > view >> > it would be a travesty if this opportunity is wasted or someone here > thinks >> > they should now try from somewhere near scratch to come up with a > better >> > Aussie mousetrap. >> > >> > If the Swiss Rescue Helicopters have evaluated it as being also the > best > for >> > them, then it might even be a no-brainer for us. >> > >> > Look at what the basic pilots from Europe have said on the other > thread > and >> > all of us should make up our minds. >> > >> > I wonder what other members of this Forum, more experienced than me, > have > to >> > say on this. >> > >> > Regards & thanks for your reply >> > >> > Geoff >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Mike Borgelt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring inAustralia." >> > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >> > Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 4:08 PM >> > Subject: Re: Fw: [Aus-soaring] FLARM >> > >> > >> >> At 01:56 PM 4/07/05 +1000, you wrote: >> >>> >> >>>>I have initiated and am in the midst of a thread on The Glider Forum >> >>>>where >> >>>> European pilots speak of Flarm in glowing terms ... both in the >> >>>> Mountains >> >>>> and the Flatlands. >> >>>> >> >>>> It appears that the IGC has not banned its use and 2 pilots report >>>> good >> >>>> practical results with Flarm when used in contests. >> >> >> >> Technically, under the FAI rules it was prohibited under the rule >> that >> >> prevented data interchange. This was pointed out in an article in >> >> Aerokurier magazine. Common sense has prevailed according to John >> Roake's >> >> latest column on gldingmagazine.com >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>>> Now we have what appears to be a proven and popular system that is >> >>>> reasonably economical for Cost and Power. >> >> >> >> 52mA and A$1000 approximately per aircraft. >> >>>> >> >>>> Given that mid-airs are a/the major safety issue for our sport, >>>> what >>>> are >> >>>> we waiting for? >> >>>> >> >>>> Is it a fact that the spectrum is available or not? >> >> >> >> Of course it is. Every wireless device attached to your PC uses it as >> well >> >> as your microwave oven. >> >> >> >>>> >> >>>> If it is, the GFA should consider lobbying/acting to ensure that >>>> the >> >>>> system is picked up for OZ and EVERY owner should be encouraged or >> >>>> incentivised to install ASAP. >> >> >> >> Given the general acknowledgement that we have a mid air problem in >> >> gliding >> >> you would think this would already be being done wouldn't you? Don't >> hold >> >> your breath. >> >> >> >> Mike >> >> Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments >> >> phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 >> >> fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 >> >> cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 >> >> Int'l + 61 429 355784 >> >> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> website: www.borgeltinstruments.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Aus-soaring mailing list >> > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> > To check or change subscription details, visit: >> > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
