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Derek,
 
All cables will be available at the comp, simple 2 wires to + and - , some Velcro , that's it.
 
The latest problem that is causing delays is the customs software that is holding the nation to ransom, our memory chips and voltage regulators are stuck in a queue!
 
Cheers
 
Nigel
 
 
 
 
 

Nigel Andrews

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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:28 AM
To: Dave Shorter; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Zaon Flight Systems collision avoidance

I can’t think of a better way to trial the Flarm than a competition. Good decision

What about the power requirements? Are they self powered or do we have to lash together some connectors?

Do you have a link to any further details?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Shorter
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 11:06 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Zaon Flight Systems collision avoidance

 

Yes. - and the tugs also will be fitted.

 

We have been able to obtain sponsorship to pay for the hire of units to fit out all entries in the comp - thanks to NSWGA, Oamps, and QBE.

 

While it will not be mandatory we expect every pilot take advantage of this offer and participate in the trial. There will be a decided safety benefit to all if everyone joins the trial.

 

Dave Shorter - Contest Director

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Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:50 AM

Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Zaon Flight Systems collision avoidance

 

Are you planning to trial this in all the entered gliders then Nigel?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RF Developments Pty Ltd
Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2005 5:17 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Zaon Flight Systems collision avoidance

 

Goeff, Mark , others.

 

OzFLARM, which uses the core FLARM micro has a different way of presenting the information ( see OzFLARM news ) If a glider is behind you, further than 1 km , a green LED will light up in that direction. If he is less than 1 km , a RED led will light up. If he is a potential threat , the red will blink and the audio will go off.

 

The core collision algorithms are the same.

 

I should have the manual ready in a few weeks, around the time 66 OzFLARMS are going to be flying around in close formation at Lake Keepit!

 

Cheers

 

Nigel

 

 

 

 

Nigel Andrews

Managing Director

RF Developments Pty Ltd

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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Kidd
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 3:29 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Zaon Flight Systems collision avoidance

Thanks for that Mark. It assists understanding a lot.

 

I found it interesting that based on the latter part of that video, it would be possible to be at the same height and flying towards (but a tad behind) that other glider ... and not get any warning unless the tracks intersect or converge ................ and if the other remains unseen it would be possible to tighten the turn and converge to get a warning just as they collide.

 

For some reason I assumed that if you are constantly getting closer to, but not intersecting with, another Flarm equipped aircraft, then you would get some type of "heads-up" (poor pun) warning.

 

I'm not complaining, mind you, I just want to understand the way that it operates. It just proves that Flarm is certainly useful but it is an aid to the "see" of see-and-avoid, but there can never be any guarantees even if all aircraft are equipped.

 

On looking at that video again, the LEDs were unlit during the turn to port and early in the approach to the other aircraft. How does it indicate proximity as per your 2nd last para?

 

Regards & thanks for your response Geoff

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Newton

Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 2:34 PM

Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Zaon Flight Systems collision avoidance

 

Geoff Kidd wrote:

>     In trying to understand your explanation, and wanting to fully grasp
> the way these things work, I looked again at the Flarm video on DG's
> website http://www.dg-download.de/Videos/flarm-rennes.wmv.
>     In that case the display alarms initially at the 12.30/01.00 LED,
> which is about where the other glider is, when the tracks of the 2
> aircraft appear to be intersecting but when there also appears to be a
> reasonable height separation ..... and it looks to me like there was not
> a "risk of collision".

They were on a converging heading.  The FLARM was essentially saying,
"Even though the separation is high, if you continue the way you
are at the moment you will probably hit each other."

Note that the alarm tone was different to what it was later on when
they were closer.

>     The pilot then bears away to starboard and turns back to port to fly
> directly at or towards the other aircraft.

Obviously not directly at it, because they didn't hit each other.
Unless it's directly in front of you, flying directly at the position
another aircraft is in *right now* will cause you to miss it, because
by the time you reach that position the other aircraft won't be
there anymore.

They were on diverging headings during that phase of the demo, when
the alarm was silent.  They were in close proximity to each other,
but there was no collision risk, so there was no alarm.

>     It looks to me that there is a greater risk of collision after he
> turns back to port towards the other ship when it is visible in his
> screen ........... yet the alarm doesn't sound again until he is
> reasonably close.

Reasonably close *and converging*.

There is no mystery to this, Geoff.  You can fly as close to another
glider as you want;  but if you're not converging with it, FLARM won't
bother to sound an alert (it'll still indicate proximity on its visual
display, but it won't sound an alarm to indicate an imminent collision)

That's the right answer, isn't it?  Nobody wants a "collision avoidance"
system which chirps continuously just because you happen to be sharing
a thermal with someone else, do they?  What we really want is a collision
avoidance system which is silent when you're sharing a thermal with
someone else *unless you're about to hit each other*.

   - mark

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