Why are you guys trying to split hairs over a definition I am sure the people who wrote the procedures could not answer for you. Most of them probably only landed on runways make of hard black stuff (or other hard alternatives) with paint all over them. In their experience aircraft do not land anywhere else.
SDF -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 12:28 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] When (or what) is an aerodrome..... ? It doesn't say that: It says that you can't take off and land at a place other than an aerodrome unless it is suitable for the purposes of take-off & landing. It does not allocate the definition of aerodrome to such places Under your interpretation, most of the paddocks in NSW would be defined as aerodromes > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kittel, Stephen W (ETSA) > Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 10:34 AM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] When (or what) is an aerodrome..... ? > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Leigh Bunting > ? > > > >Kittel, Stephen W (ETSA) wrote: > > > >> I think for the purposes of the radio procedures your > >paddock becomes > >> an aerodrome when you begin to take off from (or land in) it! > > > >So every ag-pilot in Australia will now be flying the > >prescribed circuit pattern and making all the necessary radio calls? > >Every station-owner flying down to the back paddock to check > >the windmill is also going to do all this? > > No, of course they are not going to call and they will still be legal > (as far as I know). The point which people seem to have issues with are > that the recommended calls are not mandatory. As pilot in command you > get the choice (and responsibility) of what to do to ensure the safety > of flight taking into account the circumstances. > > As to what is an aerodrome. The question that was asked previously, my > previous guess was pretty close! CAR 92 d): > > 92 Use of aerodromes > (1) A person must not land an aircraft on, or engage in conduct > that causes an aircraft to take off from, a place that does not > satisfy one or more of the following requirements: > (a) the place is an aerodrome established under the Air > Navigation Regulations; > (b) the use of the place as an aerodrome is authorised by a > certificate granted, or registration, under Part 139 of > CASR; > (c) the place is an aerodrome for which an arrangement under > section 20 of the Act is in force and the use of the > aerodrome by aircraft engaged in civil air navigation is > authorised by CASA under that section; > (d) the place (not being a place referred to in paragraph (a), > (b) or (c)) is suitable for use as an aerodrome for the > purposes of the landing and taking-off of aircraft; > and, having regard to all the circumstances of the proposed > landing or take-off (including the prevailing weather > conditions), the aircraft can land at, or take-off from, the place > in safety. > > IE if the place is suitable (and safe) for the purposes of takeoff or > landing it is an aerodrome. > > > >I don't think so. I asked these questions of the presenter at > >the Adelaide session of the Roadshow and at the end of beating > >around the subject, his answer was 'yes'. I got the feeling I > >had backed him into a corner and he couldn't really admit reality. > > > >Can I pose another question. At Whitwarta, we have a several > >instances a year of fixed-wing and helicopters blundering, if > >not through the circuit area, then through the immediate > >'getting away' airspace outside it. I'm convinced they don't > >even know we are there. What frequency are they likely to be > >monitoring? > > During the time I was CFI at PAGC we also had numerous instances like > this. An Orion, a flight of Squirel helicopters (which went right over > the aerodrome just as a Blanik was about to launch) and multiple civil > aircraft. I don't think this is unusual for any gliding operation away > from major population centres. > I am sure you are right. IE. they don't know these airstrips are there, > nor how we operate. On occasion I have managed to communicate with some > of these overfliers, who have sounded surprised that there was a gliding > club there (although marked on the maps). I suspect that many pilots > (military and civil) don't check and never know. Also (others can jump > in here and correct me, if wrong) I think many of the military aircraft > don't carry VHF. > > However, nothing in the new rules will change any of this. > > >If it is 126.7, then it could be interesting to see what > >changes over the next year or so. > > > Regards > SWK > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
