At 11:44 AM 18/12/2008, you wrote:
I recently read some stuff about compressed air engines (on the internet, where else!). They have been around for some time and were, for example, used in mines because they were safer than steam or early internal combustion engines. There has been a recent surge of interest in using such engines in vehicles because they have no emissions, can be efficient and that modern materials, eg carbon fibre, can greatly reduce the weight of air tanks. This excludes the emissions from power stations generating electricity which drives the compressors needed to "refuel" the engine.

This got me thinking about compressed air's potential for self launching or sustaining gliders and I wonder if someone could do the numbers on the following scenarios to test their viability.

Standard carbon fibre cylinders are available which are about 2 ft long, 8" diameter, weigh 12 lbs and hold 88 cu ft of air at 4500 psi. I think they are used in SCUBA diving. Four could probably be fitted into a fuselage; would the following work as a self launcher or a sustainer?

1 As a fully throttleable jet

2 As a propellor driven by air outlets at the tips, cf the Sud-Ouest Djinn helicopter of 1955.

It has been suggested that at slow , eg glider, speeds a narrow column of fast moving air as from a jet is less efficient than a large area of relatively slow moving air, eg from a propellor.

Thanking you in anticipation.
.
Graham

Forget the jet when using compressed air.

Tip jet propellor or an air driven piston engine or turbine might be the way to go. Prop efficiency will be only 50% or so. Those scuba tanks don't give nearly enough air. My very rough calculation showed about enough energy to acheive liftoff speed. No climb.

Yes a narrow column of fast moving air as from a jet is less efficient than a large area of relatively slow moving air. Thrust is mass x velocity change. Energy is mass x velocity squared. So for the same thrust you can use 1/2 the mass but twice the velocity and use twice the energy. This is why gliders have large wingspans - push the most mass of air down slowly so as to use the least energy.

Mike


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