> If you do the same thing on an Airbus, the vertical tail snaps off > completely.
Is this just one of those Airbus bashing stories or has someone proved it ? :-) On 15/04/2010, Morgan <discu...@sandercock.com> wrote: > The flick roll is a low-G manoeuvre measured by the G-meter but it is > extremely harsh on the aircraft. Basically you twist the fuselage one way > while the wing wants to go the other way. It's like having a person pushing > the plane by the wingtips. > > > > That's why the entry speed is so critical. If you go too fast the rudder > alone is capable of overstressing the wing attachment. If you do the same > thing on an Airbus, the vertical tail snaps off completely. > > > > - Morgan Sandercock > > > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Paul Bart > Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 5:19 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle > > > > I am interested in the statement " *all* of the white tape had split" . I > had the dubious pleasure :) to be shown the flick roll by Shane McCafrey > who's ability as well as opinions on maters related to gliding I respect. I > do not recall huge g-forces during the maneuver at all. I am pretty sure > that Shane mentioned that as the aircraft was stalled, the forces were not > great. > > > > > Cheers > > Paul > > > > On 15 April 2010 16:37, Morgan <discu...@sandercock.com> wrote: > > It's too easy to judge Puchacz based on reports like "5 similar spinning > accidents." They were not all similar. The one that I read contained some > rather graphic description of the dead instructor's fingers bloodied from > trying to grasp the broken rudder cable. > > > > They do have a maintenance kit out (not an AD) which addresses this issue. > Both of our club Puchacz had this modification done as soon as we could get > out hands on the kit. In my view as a Form 2 inspector it significantly > improves a mechanical detail which looked "wrong" and could easily lead to > accidents like the one I read where the rudder cable had obviously broken > before impact and made it impossible to get out of the spin. > > > > And the type is rated for flick rolls, under some very restrictive > weight-and-balance limitations (pilot weight between 65 and 69kg on one of > ours.) It is a very impressive manoeuvre, particularly for the know-it-all > hotshot who has no idea how you suddenly entered a full spin from 54 knots > straight-and-level. It is also rather humbling for the instructor who > thought 56 knots was good enough and found that *all* of the white tape had > split. (That was me.) > > > > - Morgan Sandercock > > > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of james > crowhurst > Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 11:48 AM > To: aus soaring > > > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle > > > > Peter, > Puchacz's have had a bad rap lately, particularly on a British glider > web-chat thing. There they say that the glider is unpredictable and spins > too readily, sometimes unrecoverable and it has killed people as a result. > > I have many hours on this type and have in my time 'rung the sh*t out of > them'. I have always found the type pleasant and does exaclty what you want > it to. Spin direction reversals are particularly well demonstrated on this > type, as are stall turns (big rudder). You can flick roll them too (not that > i would do that myself in a type not rated for it). > > I don't tend to do this stuff much anymore, much more fun to blast in off > X-country. However, when you're bored in the middle of winter in the UK > doing sled rides, it makes the day more interesting. > > Thats all. > >> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:36:08 +0800 >> From: p...@exadios.com >> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle >> >> Hi; >> >> On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, james crowhurst wrote: >> >> > >> > I'm concerned that it was dangerously boring. But then again, you > wouldn't want to do a turn or a turn reversal in a Puchacz.....it'll spin > and kill you! >> What do you mean? >> >> > >> > Nice camera angle though! Aeros would be good using that mount. >> > >> > >> > >> > Jim >> > >> > >> > >> > From: oz...@bigpond.net.au >> > To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 06:35:33 +1000 >> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I am concerned that lookout appears to have been inadequate, especially > to the right hand side. >> > >> > >> > >> > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Sean > Jorgensen-Day >> > Sent: 11 April 2010 11:05 PM >> > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' >> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle >> > >> > If you are going to criticise be specific about the issues. >> > >> > What are the issues you are worried about? Explain them. >> > >> > If you do not explain the mere mortals in the real world are not able to > learn. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Roger > Browne >> > Sent: Sunday, 11 April 2010 10:14 PM >> > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' >> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle >> > >> > Agreed. >> > >> > Roger Browne >> > >> > >> > >> > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Dave Donald >> > Sent: 11 April 2010 8:56 PM >> > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. >> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle >> > >> > >> > >> > I'm just curious about what type of check flight this was? They can have > various flavours, but I've got some serious issues about this one, even at > the most basic level. >> > >> > Dave >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: John Parncutt <jparn...@bigpond.net.au> >> > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >> > Sent: Sun, 11 April, 2010 7:42:10 PM >> > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > For those interested here?s my most recent video taken at Bacchus Marsh > on Saturday. Matthew Milsom in the front seat having a check flight with > Alan Payne our CFI. >> > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu0fbph5-Aw >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > >> > John >> > >> >> Cheers >> >> -- >> Peter F Bradshaw: http://www.exadios.com (public keys avaliable there). >> Personal site: http://personal.exadios.com >> "I love truth, and the way the government still uses it occasionally to >> keep us guessing." - Sam Kekovich. >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > _____ > > Get a free e-mail account with Hotmail. 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