I personnaly like the hard copy mag (havent seen the new one yet as in outback WA) and also like the classified included as first place i look. Ive lent quite a few to guys on site, when they eventually get sick of reading the same Picture or Zoo mag, and had a few come for a fly with me. The Vintage Gliding Mag allows for both hard and soft copys and ive introduced a few pilots to the dark side with hard copys of that mag which they probably wouldnt have seen otherwise.I even found a couple of AG's in a doctors surgery onceWhile it may be ok for guys sitting in front of computers all day to live in a paperless office world , please consider the others that dont and lets have both versions available to the gliding community. I personnally have a collection that dates back into the 60's and quite often grab a random bunch of "oldies" to read on the plane. Hopefully in 15yrs time my son will still be able to do this despite technology. I dont mind paying the subs either, probably cheapest thing in this sport and cheaper than other mag subs i pay.Anyway too hard to sit on the throne with a laptop, magazine is much easier. > From: aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net > Subject: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 94, Issue 14 > To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:06:45 +0930 > > Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to > aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Gliding Australia! (Bruce Campbell) > 2. Re: Gliding Australia! (Richard Robinson) > 3. Re: Gliding Australia! (Mike Borgelt) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 22:22:16 +1000 > From: Bruce Campbell <discusdri...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia! > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Message-ID: > <CAMtRjmoEAvr4rU6mLDnHJSeBqJq5gOfofNB8=iez+wmqhhm...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > I might be a bit of a luddite, but I wish that the new magazine format > retained the classifieds. I always turned to the classifieds page first to > see who was selling what, and to dream....hence my confusion when I stated > at the back of the mag as usual, and got to the front thinking that would be > an unusual place to put them, and then realised that they had been omitted. > > On-line classifieds might be great for those who are actually in the market, > but for those that are casually window shopping I reckon the published > version in the magazine is nice to have. I have a full row of links on my > browser banner already, and the window shopping GFA classifieds don't > warrant inclusion. > > Could it be argued that the price of on-line advertising should be reduced > as it does not reach as broad a market? Potential buyers need to make the > effort to view it, whereas in the mag it is right there. > > Plus, it's an easy way to fill a page. Moving to a 2 monthly format probably > won't reduce the need to chase content. > > And yes, I have purchased items listed in the classifieds in the past, > including some impulse buys. > > PS - Now the only advertising content is that which is written as "for > information" by agents. This has been an abuse of privilege for many years - > not naming names, but this practice is disgraceful. Newspapers charge money > for that kind of "free press". Plus there are laws requiring it to be > identified as an advertising feature. We masses are being taken for fools, > not just for reading it - but for allowing the free subsidy to continue. > Don't ban it - but recoup a fee for the service. > > Bring back the class (ifieds). > > Bruce > > On 3 July 2011 21:47, DMcD <slutsw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>it was legally necessary for GFA to have a means of communicating with > > all members > > > > I think if you talk to the editorial team from this current emanation, > > there is no intention of filling the mag with this stuff. It is to be > > communicated by the internet. > > > > If we pay for Gliding Australia through our subs, and that and > > advertising covers the expenses of production, then what's to lose by > > giving the surplus copies away for free (in pdf form in the net)? > > > > Sure, it would be nice to see RAA and HGFA pilots queuing up at the > > newsagents to buy their copy but they are hardly likely to until they > > see the quality etc. > > > > D > > _______________________________________________ > > Aus-soaring mailing list > > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > > To check or change subscription details, visit: > > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20110706/023811a1/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 09:21:22 +1000 > From: "Richard Robinson" <rich...@hidc.com.au> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia! > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Message-ID: <DA8722F76F7B4DBBA68084259611F259@ROBINSONSSNRHP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I agree. > Another advantage is that keeping the magazine means that you have a history > of gliders that have come up for sale. > I have just put up an online ad (a beautiful Libelle). The ad cost is more > than $30 and it will disappear in 30 days if I don?t keep feeding it. > Bring ?em back I say. > Richard Robinson > PS: This is not a free promo but you could go GFA>Classifieds>single seaters > and have a look. > PPS: Other wise I love the new mag. I hope they will be keep up with the > level of content. > > From: Bruce Campbell > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:22 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia! > > Hi, > > I might be a bit of a luddite, but I wish that the new magazine format > retained the classifieds. I always turned to the classifieds page first to > see who was selling what, and to dream....hence my confusion when I stated at > the back of the mag as usual, and got to the front thinking that would be an > unusual place to put them, and then realised that they had been omitted. > > On-line classifieds might be great for those who are actually in the market, > but for those that are casually window shopping I reckon the published > version in the magazine is nice to have. I have a full row of links on my > browser banner already, and the window shopping GFA classifieds don't warrant > inclusion. > > Could it be argued that the price of on-line advertising should be reduced as > it does not reach as broad a market? Potential buyers need to make the effort > to view it, whereas in the mag it is right there. > > Plus, it's an easy way to fill a page. Moving to a 2 monthly format probably > won't reduce the need to chase content. > > And yes, I have purchased items listed in the classifieds in the past, > including some impulse buys. > > PS - Now the only advertising content is that which is written as "for > information" by agents. This has been an abuse of privilege for many years - > not naming names, but this practice is disgraceful. Newspapers charge money > for that kind of "free press". Plus there are laws requiring it to be > identified as an advertising feature. We masses are being taken for fools, > not just for reading it - but for allowing the free subsidy to continue. > Don't ban it - but recoup a fee for the service. > > Bring back the class (ifieds). > > Bruce > > > On 3 July 2011 21:47, DMcD <slutsw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>it was legally necessary for GFA to have a means of communicating with > all members > > > I think if you talk to the editorial team from this current emanation, > there is no intention of filling the mag with this stuff. It is to be > communicated by the internet. > > If we pay for Gliding Australia through our subs, and that and > advertising covers the expenses of production, then what's to lose by > giving the surplus copies away for free (in pdf form in the net)? > > Sure, it would be nice to see RAA and HGFA pilots queuing up at the > newsagents to buy their copy but they are hardly likely to until they > see the quality etc. > > D > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20110707/6ce67c73/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 10:35:05 +1000 > From: Mike Borgelt <mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia! > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Message-ID: <082801$b1h...@ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > > Those who want a printed magazine surely can > figure out how to get one if the magazine is > delivered to your PC as a pdf. Hint: It's called a printer. > > You could even print it reduced size if you want > or at least the article/s you are interested in > and even save money by printing in black and > white if the colour picture isn't of great interest to you. > > As for keeping records of gliders having come up > for sale it's called "save page as" or some such > when you drop down the file menu in Windows. > > There are heaps of free sites on the net where > you can advertise your glider for sale or see > what else is for sale. Tim Mara runs one at > wingsandwheels.com, Andrew Maddocks another(don't > know if that one is free) there is > www.segelflug.de , www.soaring cafe.com etc etc. > Printed classified ads are a thing of the past. > Ask the newspaper proprietors who have seen their ad income decline steeply. > > It is 2011. Faced with a redo of the official > magazine an organisation in 2011 decides to keep > doing it the way it has been done since the 1950s > and we have a bunch of glider pilots exhibiting > the same failure of imagination and unwillingness > to try anything new or different. What is being > done right now in gliding clearly isn't working > and worldwide the sport is circling the drain. > I'm not terribly surprised but I find it sad. > > Mike > > > At 09:21 AM 7/07/2011, you wrote: > >I agree. > >Another advantage is that keeping the magazine > >means that you have a history of gliders that have come up for sale. > >I have just put up an online ad (a beautiful > >Libelle). The ad cost is more than $30 and it > >will disappear in 30 days if I don???t keep feeding it. > >Bring ???em back I say. > >Richard Robinson > >PS: This is not a free promo but you could go > >GFA>Classifieds>single seaters and have a look. > >PPS: Other wise I love the new mag. I hope they > >will be keep up with the level of content. > > > >From: <mailto:discusdri...@gmail.com>Bruce Campbell > >Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:22 PM > >To: > ><mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net>Discussion > >of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > >Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia! > > > >Hi, > > > >I might be a bit of a luddite, but I wish that > >the new magazine format retained the > >classifieds. I always turned to the classifieds > >page first to see who was selling what, and to > >dream....hence my confusion when I stated at the > >back of the mag as usual, and got to the front > >thinking that would be an unusual place to put > >them, and then realised that they had been omitted. > > > >On-line classifieds might be great for those who > >are actually in the market, but for those that > >are casually window shopping I reckon the > >published version in the magazine is nice to > >have. I have a full row of links on my browser > >banner already, and the window shopping GFA > >classifieds don't warrant inclusion. > > > >Could it be argued that the price of on-line > >advertising should be reduced as it does not > >reach as broad a market? Potential buyers need > >to make the effort to view it, whereas in the mag it is right there. > > > >Plus, it's an easy way to fill a page. Moving to > >a 2 monthly format probably won't reduce the need to chase content. > > > >And yes, I have purchased items listed in the > >classifieds in the past, including some impulse buys. > > > >PS - Now the only advertising content is that > >which is written as "for information" by agents. > >This has been an abuse of privilege for many > >years - not naming names, but this practice is > >disgraceful. Newspapers charge money for that > >kind of "free press". Plus there are laws > >requiring it to be identified as an advertising > >feature. We masses are being taken for fools, > >not just for reading it - but for allowing the > >free subsidy to continue. Don't ban it - but recoup a fee for the service. > > > >Bring back the class (ifieds). > > > >Bruce > > > >On 3 July 2011 21:47, DMcD > ><<mailto:slutsw...@gmail.com>slutsw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>it was legally necessary for GFA to have a > > means of communicating with all members > > > >I think if you talk to the editorial team from this current emanation, > >there is no intention of filling the mag with this stuff. It is to be > >communicated by the internet. > > > >If we pay for Gliding Australia through our subs, and that and > >advertising covers the expenses of production, then what's to lose by > >giving the surplus copies away for free (in pdf form in the net)? > > > >Sure, it would be nice to see RAA and HGFA pilots queuing up at the > >newsagents to buy their copy but they are hardly likely to until they > >see the quality etc. > > > >D > >_______________________________________________ > >Aus-soaring mailing list > ><mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net>Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > >To check or change subscription details, visit: > ><http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring>http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > > > > > > >---------- > >_______________________________________________ > >Aus-soaring mailing list > >Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > >To check or change subscription details, visit: > >http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > >_______________________________________________ > >Aus-soaring mailing list > >Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > >To check or change subscription details, visit: > >http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 > phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 > fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 > cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 > > email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com > website: www.borgeltinstruments.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20110707/220c0ab8/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > End of Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 94, Issue 14 > *******************************************
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