I'm not sure that a mistake and misinformation are quite the same.....
However I am happy to acknowledge that I am human, and to support in
full the rest of Mike's comments.
The trick to getting an altitude record at present is to fly to a place
where the pressure is less than the last record. It doesn't matter much
how high that is.
Cheers
/Tim/
/tra dire e fare c'รจ mezzo il mare/
On 13/09/2011 11:39, Mike Borgelt wrote:
In the interests of mis - information being quashed:
I was right about GPS vs Pressure altitude(PA). Tim advised me he had
GPS and Pressure Altitude transposed in his spreadsheet. So his
analysis of flight records now agrees with the theoretical analysis in
my article and my manual analysis of the IGC files that a few very
helpful people sent me. Thanks again guys. As we fly gliders mostly in
summer when it is warmer than ISA, most of the time GPS altitude is
greater than PA. Not necessarily so in winter on wave flights.
If you find this isn't so it may be because you have an early GPS
receiver in the FR with some heavy filtering (early Colibris in
particular or weird processing of GPS and PA) or your pressure sensor
in the FR is off significantly.
It also looks to me like the pressure altitude is the anomaly in Geoff
Vincent's Flarm. I'd need a few more files to be sure.
If you want to compare GPS and PA do remember to take the offsets into
account before takeoff and after landing. In this case the FRs that
don't automatically start on movement or climb are probably better.
Pressure varies from day to day and the pressure sensor in the FR is
fixed to 1013 Hpa reference pressure.
If you have an early Colibri don't attempt to use the GPS altitude
for final glide calculations. Some other FRs seem to show gaps in the
GPS altitude record or in the case of one recent FR design the GPS
receiver seems to be one optimised for 2D navigation and ground
vehicle dynamics with maybe some dead reckoning of GPS altitude under
some circumstances . You can't really use that GPS altitude for final
glides either.
The CAI 302 traces seemed to be quite good with only the odd
gap(Garmin module), the EW Microrecorder seems to have an excellent
GPS receiver and I would expect FLARM GPS data to be very good also as
the GPS module is one where the user can set it for flight dynamics
and full time 3D navigation. Always assuming you have a good antenna
location with no shielding by the airframe or your body.
This is one of the reasons we use our own GPS module in the B500 and
now B800 where we use GPS altitude for final glides. We know how the
GPS is set up.
The glider cares about geometric altitude for how far it can glide,
not PA. PA is a requirement for airspace compliance. In my experience
given that the surface pressure will change during the day and the
errors inherent in using cockpit statics as well as other problems in
electronic pressure sensing, GPS altitude is superior to PA for final
glides. Do remember to give yourself a margin as your glider may not
really glide as well as assumed in the polar in your electronic final
glide computer. In some B800 configurations you'll get a real time
display of how well it glides against the assumed polar on every glide.
See the article on www.borgeltinstruments.com
Mike
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