Ok, I've sat by and watched the sense of entitlement and GFA bashing long enough.
As Tim playfully pointed out, it's the F in GFA. The state bodies are entitled to set & enforce their own rules. Would national harmonization be nice? Sure! If it was me, I'd write stating present experience, outlining equivalence where applicable and seek a dispensation before starting a power whinge. On rest: A professional pilot conducting a 16hr duty is required to spend hours of that SLEEPING. He is also in a multi-crew, climate controlled environment with autopilots (plural). Lets not compare apples with potatoes. Finally, after 20+ years in aviation I've met my share of selfless enablers, dedicating disproportionate amounts of time and effort to other pilots. Having never met me, Tim was professional, warm & welcoming. He somehow found time to help me achieve my goals in between running courses, coaching students and his own personal flying. If he and those like him are the people we are attacking them our sport is rooted. If there needs to be a whipping boy in this sport, let it be CASA! ;) Brgds, Casey. iPhone Transmission On 13 Sep, 2013, at 18:23, aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net wrote: > Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to > aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications (Tim Shirley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 20:22:57 +1000 > From: "Tim Shirley" <tshir...@internode.on.net> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications > To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Message-ID: <016e01ceb06b$37731040$a65930c0$@internode.on.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I?ll be at Waikerie as a competitor. > > > > Cheers > > > > Tim > > Tra dire e fare c?? mezzo il mare > > > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Catherine > Conway > Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013 20:12 > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications > > > > Well said Tim > > > > I certainly appreciate your efforts and have seen just how much you and Joy > have contributed so that I can enjoy myself. > > > > Thank you. Sincerely. > > > > I'd love to see you get the opportunity to fly a bit more yourself instead of > working for the enjoyment of all of us. > > > > Cath > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 13/09/2013, at 7:35 PM, "Tim Shirley" <tshir...@internode.on.net> wrote: > > Hmm, > > > > What I said, is that our insurers require a Competitors licence as a > qualification for entry, in order to indemnify contest officials against the > consequences of a claim arising from incidents at that contest. Is anyone > suggesting that there should be NO insurance for contest officials? > > > > This isn?t a rule of the competition. It is there to ensure that there will > actually be some officials willing to run the competition! > > > > To the best of my knowledge, the issue of a Competition Licence does not > require anything beyond the CFI?s signature to say that in his or her > opinion, the applicant is competent to hold the licence. There is nothing > there about any specific qualification, though clearly a pilot would need a > X/C rating to enter a competition. > > > > Please try to distinguish between the GFA and an Insurance company ? they are > not quite the same thing. > > > > And one thing more. > > > > I have yet to be paid to officiate at any gliding contest. The best I have > managed is some help with expenses or some accommodation. I?ve been an > official at more gliding competitions than I can remember or count. But if > you guys are not willing to do at least something to help with the risks of > litigation, then count me out in the future. You don?t deserve my or anyone > elses help. > > > > I can handle grumpy pilots. I can deal with dusty airfields and 45C. I can > make scoring systems work. I can even get around silly rulemakers. > > > > But I have serious difficulties getting my enthusiasm back when people just > take it for granted that I?ll be there to run next one. > > > > Cheers > > > > Tim > > Tra dire e fare c?? mezzo il mare > > > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Colin Collum > Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013 18:35 > To: 'Mal Bruce'; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications > > > > Dear Mal, > > > > You seem to be offended by John?s suggestion that some of our badges are > equivalent to boy scout badges, but let?s be honest?isn?t that what some of > them are? > > > > You also seem to be upset by his questioning of the requirement of a 5 hour > flight for competition pilots. Are our rules so perfect that there is no room > to challenge them? > > > > Tim Shirley has indicated that the ?5 hour flight? is an insurance > requirement for competitions, but I am not aware of any evidence that this is > based on anything other than someone?s theory that it is reasonable. Maybe > alternative ?qualifications? could be negotiated if enough people thought it > was reasonable? > > > > You make a couple of interesting observations about fatigue and some > industries? responses to the admission of fatigue?I just wish when I said I > felt fatigued someone would stand me down? J. But, have you never been > tempted to yawn [surely a sign of fatigue or boredom or loss of > concentration] while flying a glider? Did you promptly ground yourself? Will > you promptly ground yourself [i.e. land at the first place it is safe to do > so] if you do yawn when 300km from your destination? > > > > John raised some reasonable issues [perhaps not quite as subtlety as he > might] and I think they deserve reasonable and reasoned answers. > > > > Regards, > > > > Colin > > > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mal Bruce > Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013 10:43 PM > To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > Subject: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications > > > > Heavy vehicle drivers can drive for 5 hours and 15 minutes with out a break I > guess they are professionals we drive up to 12 - 14 hours depending on what > fatigue management rules they operate under. > > > > Long hall pilots are often on duty for 16 hours. > > > > If you were working for NSW State Transit Authority to mention fatigue or say > you are fatigued you would be stood down and sent off for medical checks this > did does happen, from a close family member this has happened at Qantas as > well. > > > > The two hours fatigue caters for the lowest common denominator, not for > professional drivers. > > > > In gliding, driving and flying they make rules. > > > > The reason they are unlikely to change the rules for you is they are there > for safety and liability reasons. > > > > Southern cross gliding club used to make pilots stay local at Forbes and do > their five hours. > > Before venturing off on their 50 km flights. I suggest you do the same. > > > > I was 14 when I started gliding I have seen many pilots hit fences, trees, > cars, other aircraft on the ground and in the air most of them dehydrated and > fatigued that?s 32 years of gliding and 600 hours when your at the NSW comps > have a look at the 18 meter trophy it took 21 years to get that. > > > > Your comment about boy scout badges is so insulting the the sport of gliding > maybe your RAAF culture is to blame hopefully your clubs CFI insists you do > your five hours local given your public admission of fatigue. > > > > Regards The One > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6656 - Release Date: 09/11/13 > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > _____ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6656 - Release Date: 09/11/13 > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20130913/b6cfff53/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > End of Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 120, Issue 40 > ******************************************** _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
