I seem to recall a lot of time and effort being put into extending the life of fibreglass gliders back in the distant past with the fatigue testing of the Janus wings by the RMIT. I believe this contributed to the original life extensions past 3000 hrs. I'm sure some one on this forum can enlighten us as to the history and GFA members involvement. Don't remember many calls for scrapping glass aircraft back then. Should I just send GQG, Jack Igullden?s and the South Cerney ES 60 to the knackers yard then. I'm suspect Chris a lot of todays members will have to google what an ES60 is, and probably Jack Igullden. Always disappoints me some of the comments on this forum towards the older generation (gliders that is) but I live in the hope the numbers here represent a small percentage of the GFA membership. Even older generation glass gliders are moving onto the list these days laurie
> From: aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net > Subject: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 135, Issue 53 > To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:00:02 +1030 > > Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to > aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: IS-28B CQC's last flying day: (Christopher McDonnell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:14:05 +1000 > From: "Christopher McDonnell" <wommamuku...@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IS-28B CQC's last flying day: > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Message-ID: <12AFF85A66434F0D86418E305CBDC3DE@ownerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > ?Seems to me that our sport spends far too much of its time and energy > flogging dead horses.? > > Should I just send GQG, Jack Igullden?s and the South Cerney ES 60 to the > knackers yard then. > > > > From: Tim Shirley > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 7:55 AM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IS-28B CQC's last flying day: > > There is a Pegase at Horsham, owned by the Horsham Flying Club. > > There is a Centrair Marianne 2 seater at Benalla, privately owned. > > As a club committee member, I would have 2 comments about this thread: > > 1. It doesn't seem to be a wise strategy for the future of gliding to teach > tomorrows pilots to fly in yesterday's gliders. The ASK21 is not new, but at > least it is closer to modern technology than an IS28 and flies much more like > a modern glider. > > 2. I'm not sure where anyone would obtain liability insurance or hull > insurance for training someone or flying a passenger in an "experimental" > category aircraft of any kind. > > Seems to me that our sport spends far too much of its time and energy > flogging dead horses. > > Merry Christmas to all. > > > Cheers > > Tim Shirley > > tra dire ? fare c' ? mezzo il mare > > On 24/12/2014 8:27 AM, Greg Wilson wrote: > > The USA were the only country to enforce a 3,000 hour life limit on > Centrair Pegase due to their interpretation of the maintenance manual of that > aircraft which had been translated from French to English. One page of the > manual stated 3,000 hour life extension while another mentioned 3,000 life. > When asked for a ruling (by some nutcase who owned one in the USA), the FAA > ruled on 3,000 life instantly grounding all Pegase in that country with more > than 3,000 hours. Many were still flying in European clubs with more than > 3,000 hours. That ruling in the USA has only recently been overturned. The > 2014 release of the Pegase maintenance manual (in french) clearly states > 3,000 hour life extension. > > AFAIK there are 2 Pegase in Australia, mine and one in a Vic club > (Benalla?). > > Cheers, > > Greg Wilson. > > > ---- On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 05:08:39 +1100 Jim Staniforth > mailto:staniforth...@yahoo.com wrote ---- > > For reference, it isn't just GFA / CASA. > Even though EXP registration is much more common in the USA, FAA is not > interested in moving an aircraft to EXP for life extension purposes. It has > of course been tried with the Centrair Pegase.* > Under FAA regulations, an EXP aircraft can be flown by rated pilots > only. EXP two-seaters cannot be used for instruction or rides. Single-seat > EXP can be rented just like STD aircraft, or used for towing. > In my experience, registering and insuring FAA EXP is no different to > STD. Just different paperwork. > Jim > > *The Pegase now has a life extension program thanks to the work > primarily of Bob Carlton. > ...a Global Alternate Method Of Compliance (AMOC) that will raise the > current 3,000 hour life limit on Centrair Pegase 101, 101P, 101A and 101AP > gliders to 4,500 hours... > > > On 12/23/2014 5:41 AM, Mark Newton wrote: > > 49-5452-46e5-9771-3e6f7d4b1...@atdot.dotat.org" type="cite"> > On 24 Dec 2014, at 12:27 am, Al Borowski mailto:al.borow...@gmail.com wrote: > Is there nothing like an 'Experimental' category in the glider world? It > seems weird to me that I can (in theory) jump into a home-designed ultralight > powered with a lawnmower motor, but can't operate a glider grounded due to a > paperwork issue. The issue is fraught. GFA can issue experimental C-of-A's > (or could until an audit a year or two ago, at any rate). But experimental > aircraft can't be flown for hire or reward, including training; so a club > can't feasibly operate them. CASA seems to take a dim view of an aircraft > which meets a type certificate in all requirements except service life being > operated as experimental. Except they're not consistent about it, because > they obviously allow warbirds to remain in service well past their design > life. You could probably operate a glider on an experimental C-of-A if it has > a genuinely experimental feature, and if it was operated privately. 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