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> On 17 Mar 2015, at 11:40 am, aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net wrote: > > Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to > aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Swiss Flarm fix (Mike Borgelt) > 2. Re: Flarm Install (Derek Ruddock) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:28:16 +1000 > From: Mike Borgelt <mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Swiss Flarm fix > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Message-ID: <77bbc2$va2...@ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > >> >> My personal opinion: flarm is a great idea. It's >> great when it works. But I am someone that >> heavily relies on the latest version of >> LookOut??. I update LookOut??? continually when >> flying. One problem is that LookOut?? is out of >> date as soon as? you look somewhere else. >> However, you can keep updating Lookout?? completely free and I do so. > > Lookout?? also comes with a free 3D full colour moving map. > > Mike > > > > Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of > quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 > www.borgeltinstruments.com > tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 > mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 > P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20150317/fa356c38/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:36:27 +1100 > From: "Derek Ruddock" <drudd...@iinet.net.au> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm Install > To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Message-ID: <006b01d0604a$67fc0380$37f40a80$@iinet.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hopefully NOT a target :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Richard > Frawley > Sent: Tuesday, 17 March 2015 10:51 AM > To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Flarm Install > > > Yes, i agree with Erich that correct Flarm Antenna installation is critical. > Over the last 2 years since taking an interest in this particular aspect, I > have observed some horrible installs with the antennas stuck to the sides of > radios or Varios, planar antennas (paddle pop) pointing the wrong way, > antenna buried in loom wiring, crushed cabling etc etc. Remember to also > have the GPS antenna mounted with a clear and unobstructed view of the sky. > I even saw one of those mounted upside down and another vertically mounted. > > If you think your aerial is poorly placed, then please, ask around and get > someone in your club who knows about these things to help you position it > correctly, it might be your life that is saved. > > I also agree that there is no substitute for head up and out which is why i > have voice annunciation. My flarm display is also smack in the center and > right at the top of the panel so i have minimum target acquisition time when > needed. > > Regards > > Richard > > > > >>> On 17 Mar 2015, at 10:22 am, aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net >> wrote: >> >> Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to >> aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Bolts (Graham Holland) >> 2. Re: Flarm support non existant (Ian Mc Phee) >> 3. Re: Swiss Flarm fix (Erich Wittstock) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 09:28:36 +1100 >> From: Graham Holland <grahamholl...@iinet.net.au> >> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Bolts >> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> Message-ID: <a58e0ae9-202c-476b-9099-d7b6c3141...@iinet.net.au> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> A recent posting revealed some difficulty in sourcing bolts for gliders. I > didn?t think they were that arcane. Basic Sailplane Engineering (BSE) says > that ?All German and some other European gliders use bolts that have been > manufactured to a DIN specification.? (p.1.5.1) and that the most common > bolt meets DIN 931. So how easy is it to buy such a bolt? >> >> Din 931 has been superseded by ISO 4014-2011, Hexagon head bolts-product > grade A and B. This is identical to AS 1110.1-2000, ISO metric hexagon > headed bolts and screws - product grade A and B ? bolts. Many Australian > fastener suppliers such as Coventry Fasteners (aka Konnect), Tower Fasteners > and James Glen supply high tensile steel bolts to AS 1110.1. Stainless steel > bolts to DIN 931 are also available. So it seems to be more a matter of > bolts for aircraft rather than aircraft bolts. >> >> I would expect glider manufacturers to specify bolts, but I could not find > any reference to a bolt specification in the maintenance manual for the Duo > Discus and PW5 (they were to hand). Where would it be? >> >> Graham >> >> Graham Holland >> 27 Johnston Crescent >> Lane Cove NSW 2066 >> Australia >> 02 9427 3282 >> grahamholl...@iinet.net.au >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >> scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments >> /20150317/6b3b6b6a/attachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:00:40 +1100 >> From: Ian Mc Phee <mrsoar...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm support non existant >> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." >> <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >> Message-ID: >> >> <CAAMD4KoGokqGyFJFH5rve=3lrrftmxghmegcmda2aaf4cxo...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> That is not good re "classic" flarm units. >> >> I do know in Germany and Austria companies are obliged to provide 10 >> years after sales service after production ceases. Look at >> Glassflugel if you wanted a spring for a Std Libelle it would be in >> the post today and you will receive next week. Hanko and Christian >> still provide outstanding service. I would have thought the Swiss >> would have similar rules. G Winter & Co (Achim Winter) will service a >> 50 year old vario and maybe it will cost Eur120 but it will be just as >> good as new. The future may be an issue only because there are not >> many young people becoming watch makers which is the type of person Achim > Winter needs in his company. >> >> I have Cambridge logger sr no C001. Yes it the first ever logger in >> the world from 1993. It has worked till recently and awaits a >> replacement Garmin GPS engine. >> >> And if you have Cambridge Lnav, model 20 logger or Cambridge 302 /303 >> system I have all spare boards ready to install next week no worries. >> The firm Cambridge is long since gone but the ClearNav people realized >> it is not a good look for instruments without after sales service even >> though they have no obligation to provide service. >> >> After sales service is so important and is sad that maybe the Swiss do >> not realize this. >> >> Ian McPhee >> 0428847642 >> >>> On 17 March 2015 at 00:06, David Kinlan <dkin...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I can only add to Laurie Simpkins concerns. >>> Recently y 4yr old SwissFlarm had a defect and could no longer >>> receive a signal. On contacting Flarm in Switzerland they informed me >>> that they no longer support any of the purported 25,000 flarm units >>> out there (they referred to these as the 'classic' flarms they will >>> only service powerflarms. So once your classic flarm has an issue it >>> it effectively worthless and beyond repair. I am guessing everyone >>> out there is not aware of this as it is not clear from their website. >>> >>> David Kinlan >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>> To check or change subscription details, visit: >>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >> scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments >> /20150317/c7edd39c/attachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:21:59 +1100 >> From: Erich Wittstock <deepb...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Swiss Flarm fix >> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." >> <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >> Message-ID: >> >> <caph3infj6kixrgqdezxdy+csc8c_dod1r2gcddq2zib19z4...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Here is a "fix" that forces updates to swissflarm, ozflarm, minioz. >> The trick is to power up the flarm before connecting the "data" line: >> >> 1. do not connect the flarm to the cable - leave it powered down 2. >> download the flarmtool from the flarm website >> http://flarm.com/support/firmware-updates/ >> 3. install and run the flarmtool >> 4. select "Flarm" - "Recover" from the menu 5. if your flarm has got a >> button: press that whilst connecting to power only (well, if there is >> no button like on the mini-oz - don't press anything). Use a flarm >> update cable that allows to connect power to the flarm - do not >> connect the serial cable as yet. >> 6. wait for 20 seconds (keep the button pressed) 7. connect the data >> cable (to your serial port on the computer) and let go of the button >> 8. the update will run >> >> >> Laurie gained a bachelor degree with honors in SwissFlarm, Colibri2, >> and Oudie on the weekend... >> David Kinlan's SwissFlarm is now running version 6 as well. >> >> There is no more commercial hardware support available for original >> flarms to my knowledge. >> If you have trouble doing the above procedure: maybe someone in your >> club can help. I am happy to help. Worst case scenario: you will have >> to get the flarm to me somehow and I will try my best. >> Unless you have money to throw around: try to keep your original flarm >> operational - powerflram is not the answer to all problems. >> >> My personal opinion: flarm is a great idea. It's great when it works. >> But I am someone that heavily relies on the latest version of >> LookOut?. I update LookOut? continually when flying. One problem is >> that LookOut? is out of date as soon as you look somewhere else. >> However, you can keep updating Lookout? completely free and I do so. >> One BIG drawback with flarm / powerflarm is: there is no automated >> range / function test. All that flarm gives you are green lights. I >> always try to get my hands on as many flarm files as possible to check >> them with the flarm range analyzer >> http://flarm.com/support/tools-software/ >> It's amazing how many flarms give all green lights - but the range >> stops somewhere at the wingtip and has got gaps due to obstacles close >> to the antenna. You just don't know if your ham-sandwich interferes >> with the reception on the flarm antenna. The only useful files to >> upload to the range analyser are flarm files that had plenty of >> interaction with other flarms (comp files are particualry good). >> I have flarm connected to XC-Soar - it gives you an idea where other >> gliders are, inclusive of cimb rate ;-) But flarm is useless as soon >> as there is another flarm with crappy antenna. >> And always remember: very few general aviation aircraft are fitted >> with flarm. They will most likely be fitted with a transponder. Is >> PowerFlarm the answer? PowerFlarm will give you a "transponder" alert >> - but no direction or height indication. Very few RA-Aus aircraft are >> fitted with a transponder, let alone flarm. >> >> I am with Laurie, the mandatory requirement to fit flarm for all >> gliders is somehow questionable. OK for comp jockeys - but still: >> LookOut? is tool number 1 even in comps. >> ASI, altimeter, vario, radio and compass are checked as part of the Form > 2. >> Maybe it is a good habit to check flarm files on a regular basis as >> well - it's free! >> Erich >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Laurie Simpkins <lahi...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, Might be best if i let the guys who fixed it explain as out of >>> my depth. i know one follows this forum. >>> On another note i also run a PCAS , hasn't needed updating yet, and i >>> have found very handy around the circuit and on cross country's for >>> any GA running a transponder. Neither my Flarm or PCAS picks up the >>> rest of sports aviators sharing the sky with us so still have to >>> trust old fashion eyeballs. Got 52 years out of them before first >>> upgrade and confirmed warranty expired as soon as i left home! >>> >>> cheers >>> laurie >>> >>>> From: aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net >>>> Subject: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 138, Issue 27 >>>> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 23:38:23 +1030 >>>> >>>> Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to >>>> aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Flarm support non existant (David Kinlan) 2. Re: Flarm Update >>>> (Chris Runeckles) >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 23:06:48 +1000 >>>> From: David Kinlan <dkin...@hotmail.com> >>>> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Flarm support non existant >>>> To: "aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net" >>>> <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >>>> Message-ID: <dub127-w683a02817ad62c739c3b1da4...@phx.gbl> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> >>>> I can only add to Laurie Simpkins concerns. >>>> Recently y 4yr old SwissFlarm had a defect and could no longer >>>> receive a >>> signal. On contacting Flarm in Switzerland they informed me that they >>> no longer support any of the purported 25,000 flarm units out there >>> (they referred to these as the 'classic' flarms they will only >>> service powerflarms. So once your classic flarm has an issue it it >>> effectively worthless and beyond repair. I am guessing everyone out >>> there is not aware of this as it is not clear from their website. >>>> >>>> David Kinlan >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >>>> scrubbed... >>>> URL: < >>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments >>> /20150316/04347dd6/attachment.html >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 21:08:16 +0800 >>>> From: Chris Runeckles <cmruneck...@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm Update >>>> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." >>>> <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <cag02_klkkqiutekoegx+wbd7npjywv02qdwu-vw4lde_yk4...@mail.gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> Hi Laurie >>>> >>>> So before I make the same error with my Swiss flarm, what was the >>> problem? >>>> and could you share the fix with the forum please >>>> >>>> Many thanks >>>> >>>> Chris Runeckles >>>> GCWA >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Laurie Simpkins >>>> <lahi...@hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> Just attempted to updated my Swiss Flarm this weekend and turned it >>> into >>>>> an expensive paperweight. Fortunately two well known members of WGC >>>>> ( thanks again) pooled their combined knowledge and many hours >>>>> later it became a semi useful part of the airframe again. Was about >>>>> to scrap all electronics and install my cosim vario and make my own >>>>> beeping >>> noises??? >>>>> It will be a sad day IMHO when we mandate any form of electronic >>>>> device for all gliders as standard equipment. I appreciate their >>>>> use for >>> gliders >>>>> and tugs ( I used to tow ) in comps etc but as the owner of some >>> vintage >>>>> gliders ( including my open cirrus) i challenge their relevance in >>>>> all parts of our sport. >>>>> I still believe we could help ourselves more by encouraging more >>>>> anti collision marking ( read all the arguments) and keeping our >>>>> heads out >>> of >>>>> the cockpit where they belong. >>>>> Before you crucify me ( as happens occasionally here) please >>>>> justify >>> your >>>>> comments with why you think i need a Flarm or equivalent in a >>>>> vintage >>> or >>>>> training aircraft mostly operating in the CTAF. Soon we will be >>>>> asked >>> these >>>>> questions as a body and i hope we answer wisely. >>>>> I say again i support and understand the relevance in a comp >>>>> situation >>> for >>>>> devices likes Flarms however we will need to make future decisions >>>>> and rules for all the gliding community. >>>>> Currently i probably couldn't operate at some local clubs due to an >>>>> insistence an Flarms for all aircraft??????????? >>>>> >>>>> cheers >>>>> Laurie >>>>> >>>>> GMO,GDW,GEF,GHJ,GTG >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net >>>>>> Subject: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 138, Issue 25 >>>>>> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>>>>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 21:22:52 +1030 >>>>>> >>>>>> Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to >>>>>> aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>>>>> >>>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >>>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>>>> aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>>>> aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net >>>>>> >>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >>>>>> specific than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Today's Topics: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Re: FLARM update (Mike Borgelt) 2. Easter Comp 2015 cancelled >>>>>> (Erich Wittstock) 3. Re: Easter Comp 2015 cancelled (Ian Downes) >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>>>>> >>>>>> Message: 1 >>>>>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:47:29 +1000 >>>>>> From: Mike Borgelt <mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] FLARM update >>>>>> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." >>>>>> <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >>>>>> Message-ID: <77bbc2$v9j...@ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" >>>>>> >>>>>> As a standalone device a Flarm is merely an expensive GPS data >>> source. >>>>>> >>>>>> Flarm is a *system* and requires other devices and compatibility >>>>>> between devices to function. >>>>>> The usefulness also degrades rapidly as the proportion of >>>>>> potential targets either is not equipped or the unit isn't working >>>>>> or is non compatible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Analogies with parachutes aren't useful. There are many parachute >>>>>> manufacturers and I'm not aware that licence fees are being paid >>>>>> by the others to one manufacturer and while there may be >>>>>> airworthiness directives from time to time on a particular brand >>> or >>>>> type of >>>>>> >>>>>> parachute there aren't potential fleet wide problems every year. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not a problem until use is mandated as in contests or some clubs. >>>>>> >>>>>> The serious parts of aviation seem to go to lots of trouble to >>>>>> maintain backwards compatibility. >>>>>> i.e. continuing use of pressure altitude instead of GPS altitude, >>>>>> Mode A transponders are compatible with Mode C and mode S and ADSB >>>>>> co-exists with these on >>> the >>>>> same >>>>>> >>>>>> frequencies. Except in the USA where the potential congestion >>>>>> means they have gone to 978Mhz for ADSB for small aircraft and >>>>>> maintained the Extended squitter transponder 1090 Mhz use for >>>>>> large aircraft. That means ground stations and being in range of >>>>>> one for the two >>>>>> >>>>>> sets of users to know about each other. Wonderful! >>>>>> >>>>>> TCAS as used in airliners also has the feature that the system >>>>>> logic is known to the users and users are trained in >>> it. >>>>>> >>>>>> A couple of years ago I analysed a mid air between two gliders in >>>>>> Austria. Both Flarm equipped and both Flarms were working. The >>>>>> pilots frantically scanned and still failed to see each other >>>>>> whereupon one turned left - right across the other glider's >>>>>> flightpath and the >>>>>> >>>>>> collision occurred. Otherwise they'd have missed. >>>>>> Fortunately both managed to land safely. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> At 10:56 AM 16/03/2015, you wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Tim, >>>>>>> As you have reminded many in the past, - this is a Gliding Forum. >>>>>>> Keep the politics and political comments out of it. >>>>>>> Glenn >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 14/03/2015 8:32 PM, Tim Shirley wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Flarms are standalone devices. They won't stop working tomorrow, >>>>>>>> because there is nothing to stop them working. A Flarm on V5 >>>>>>>> will see a Flarm on V5 just the same for ever, so it is probably >>>>>>>> better for the upgrade at a club, or in an area where gliders >>>>>>>> often fly together, to be co-ordinated. Making an instant change >>>>>>>> to your own Flarm might simply disable yours :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Flarm is being 100% consistent in its policy, and if that is >>>>>>>> irresponsible well then more irresponsibility from Tony Abbott >>>>>>>> would be good (if that is possible). They have NEVER guaranteed >>>>>>>> that a major version upgrade is backward compatible, in fact >>>>>>>> they have always said that any backward compatibility between >>>>>>>> major versions is coincidental. I make no comment on the reasons >>>>>>>> or the necessity for this policy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There's nothing wrong with a Flarm, except for the far too high >>>>>>>> expectations we have of it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just look out the window - no version changes required but make >>>>>>>> sure your specs are up to spec. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tim Shirley >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> tra dire ? fare c' ? mezzo il mare >>>>>>>>> On 14/03/2015 6:54 PM, Matthew Scutter wrote: >>>>>>>>> FYI: >>>>>>>>> FLARM has now published it's latest update - v6. >>>>>>>>> It's available here: >>>>>>>>> <http://flarm.com/support/firmware-updates/> >>>>> http://flarm.com/support/firmware-updates/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The protocols in the current version (v5) and new version (v6) >>>>>>>>> are supposedly totally incompatible, so please update your >>>>>>>>> FLARMs before next flight or you won't be able to see pilots >>>>>>>>> with the >>> other >>>>> version. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <soapbox opinion> I think it's very irresponsible of FLARM to >>>>>>>>> publish a backwards incompatible upgrade like this. I am glad I >>>>>>>>> am not flying in the Alps this weekend. </opinion> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>>>>>>>> <mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >>>>> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>>>>>>>> To check or change subscription details, visit: >>>>>>>>> <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring> >>>>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>>>>>>> <mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >>>>> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>>>>>>> To check or change subscription details, visit: >>>>>>>> <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring> >>>>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>>>>>> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>>>>>> To check or change subscription details, visit: >>>>>>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >>>>>> >>>>>> Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring >>>>>> instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com >>>>>> tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 >>>>>> mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, >>>>>> QLD 4350, Australia >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >>>>>> scrubbed... >>>>>> URL: < >>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments >>> /20150316/97c4f1e8/attachment.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Message: 2 >>>>>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 19:19:16 +1100 >>>>>> From: Erich Wittstock <deepb...@gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Easter Comp 2015 cancelled >>>>>> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." >>>>>> <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>> <caph3ingu9naf3qd9syosnusgocnb6z6dzxvcxnu_2bjsm0n...@mail.gmail.co >>>>>> m> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>>>> >>>>>> Regretfully the decision has been made to cancel this years Easter >>>>>> Competition that was to be held at Goondiwindi. The principal >>>>>> reason >>> was >>>>>> a lack of competitors. There were not sufficient entrants to >>>>>> justify >>> the >>>>>> commitment of the organisers, it was a risk financially and the >>>>>> small numbers in the classes gave little competition. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is unfortunate however we felt it better to cancel rather than >>> try to >>>>>> run a sub-standard event. We will commence planning in a couple of >>> months >>>>>> for Easter 2016. Watch for our announcements. >>>>>> >>>>>> For those who have made the commitment to go to Goondiwindi this >>> year all >>>>>> is not totally lost for you. Warwick Club intend to fly all week >>>>>> and offer non-competitive scored soaring for those interested. If >>>>>> you are interested contact Warwick club www.warwickgliding.org.au >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Lindsay Mitchell >>>>>> President >>>>>> Queensland Gliding Assoc. Inc. >>>>>> 0419 280 811 >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >>>>>> scrubbed... >>>>>> URL: < >>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments >>> /20150316/770436f8/attachment.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Message: 3 >>>>>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 21:52:43 +1100 >>>>>> From: "Ian Downes" <iandow...@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Easter Comp 2015 cancelled >>>>>> To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" >>>>>> <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >>>>>> Message-ID: <000801d05fd7$560db290$022917b0$@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>>>> >>>>>> Good evening all >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry to hear about the need to cancel this years event at >>> Goondiwindi. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As well as our friends at Warwick, Lake Keepit is also operating >>>>>> over >>>>> the Easter break as part of our full time operation. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Whilst accommodation at the club and the adjoining caravan park is >>>>> pretty tight, we do have plenty of camping spots available. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If you can't make Warwick we would love to see you at Keepit. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ian Downes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lake Keepit Soaring Club >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: >>>>> aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Erich >>> Wittstock >>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 7:19 PM >>>>>> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. >>>>>> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Easter Comp 2015 cancelled >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regretfully the decision has been made to cancel this years Easter >>>>> Competition that was to be held at Goondiwindi. The principal >>>>> reason >>> was a >>>>> lack of competitors. There were not sufficient entrants to justify >>>>> the commitment of the organisers, it was a risk financially and the >>>>> small numbers in the classes gave little competition. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It is unfortunate however we felt it better to cancel rather than >>> try to >>>>> run a sub-standard event. We will commence planning in a couple of >>> months >>>>> for Easter 2016. Watch for our announcements. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For those who have made the commitment to go to Goondiwindi this >>>>>> year >>>>> all is not totally lost for you. Warwick Club intend to fly all >>>>> week >>> and >>>>> offer non-competitive scored soaring for those interested. If you >>>>> are interested contact Warwick club www.warwickgliding.org.au < >>>>> http://www.warwickgliding.org.au/> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Lindsay Mitchell >>>>>> President >>>>>> Queensland Gliding Assoc. 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