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Minutes of the 22nd August 2022 Teleconference Austin-1250 Page 1 of 1 Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 22nd August 2022 Attendees: Don Cragun, IEEE PASC OR Nick Stoughton, Logitech/USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR Eric Ackermann, HPI, University of Potsdam Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR Geoff Clare, The Open Group Andrew Josey, The Open Group Apologies Tom Thompson, IEEE * General news This was a call dedicated to general bugs. As a reminder we agreed previously that there will be NO meetings on 2022-08-29, 2022-09-05 (due to holidays in the UK and US respectively) * Current Business Bug 1122: POSIX should include gettext() and friends OPEN and https://posix.rhansen.org/p/gettext_draft Also https://austingroupbugs.net/file_download.php?file_id=64&type=bug Geoff's addition to XRAT appendix E and cancellation points lists have been noted to date. A new PDF will be needed, but we will continue to wait for more comments first. To be discussed again when more comments are raised. Bug 1560: clarify wording of command substitution https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1560 Leave this and related bugs 1561 and 1564 open awaiting reviews/discussion. Bug 1273: glob()'s GLOB_ERR/errfunc and non-directory files OPEN https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1273 We will leave this open awaiting feedback. Bug 768: add "fd-private" POSIX locks to spec OPEN https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=768 Linux has now had OFD locks for several years, and more code in the wild is starting to use it - so we have existing practice (see note 2508) https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_mono/libc.html#Open-File-Description-Locks Starting point of resolution at https://posix.rhansen.org/p/bug768 AI to EricB - take the GNU documentation and turn it into a desired action Bug 739: CX requirements for strftime seem to conflict with ISO C OPEN https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=739 Nick completed his action to liaise with the C committee on this issue. C23 is about to go to ballot, so the way to raise the issue would be as a ballot comment. This could be done either as a UK or US national body comment. Andrew confirmed with the UK C Panel that we can submit comments. Bug 728: Restrictions on signal handlers are both excessive and insufficient OPEN https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=728 The alignment with C17 changes the requirements in this area. There is still no allowance for accessing const objects or string literals, so that is something we could consider adding as an extension to C. Or we could raise the issue with the C committee if we want to stay in sync with the C standard. Suggestion: raise it as a C23 ballot comment. Depending on the answer, we could implement what they plan to do, or diverge (or leave things as they are). AI Nick and Geoff: File ballot comments on C23 (through the US and/or UK national bodies to WG14). Bug 708: Make mblen, mbtowc, and wctomb thread-safe for alignment with C11 OPEN https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=708 This was discussed with WG14: https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2148.htm#dr_498 Here is the current wording in C23: <blockquote> The behavior of the multibyte character functions is affected by the LC_CTYPE category of the current locale. For a state-dependent encoding, each of the mbtowc and wctomb functions is placed into its initial conversion state prior to the first call to the function and can be returned to that state by a call for which its character pointer argument, s, is a null pointer. Subsequent calls with s as other than a null pointer cause the internal conversion state of the function to be altered as necessary. It is implementation-defined whether internal conversion state has thread storage duration, and whether a newly created thread has the same state as the current thread at the time of creation, or the initial conversion state. A call with s as a null pointer causes these functions to return a nonzero value if encodings have state dependency, and zero otherwise. Changing the LC_CTYPE category causes the internal object describing the conversion state of the mbtowc and wctomb functions to have an indeterminate representation. </blockquote> DR 498 (URL above) seems to have an agreed wording change from April 2017, but it has not been applied. AI: Nick to ask the WG14 convenor what happened to that DR. Nick had completed his action. It appears the item was discussed but in the end the C committee could not agree an acceptable change, and no alternate proposal was available. We will need to accept the C wording for now. Bug 700: Clarify strtoul's behaviour on strings representing negative numbers OPEN https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=700 AI: Nick and Geoff to work together on a C23 ballot comment (against N3047 7.24.1.7 para 5). Bug 689: Possibly unintended allowance for stdio deadlock OPEN https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=689 Change needs to be coordinated with C23. AI: Nick and Geoff to work together on a C23 ballot comment (against N3047 7.23.3 para 3). Bug 633: SIGEV_THREAD delivery renders many signal interfaces unsafe Accepted as Marked https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=633 This item is tagged for TC3-2008. On 2018 edition page 490 line 16984 section 2.4.2, change: The signal mask of this thread is implementation-defined. to: It is implementation-defined whether the signal mask of this thread has all signals except SIGKILL and SIGSTOP blocked, or is the same as the mask that was in effect for the thread which installed the sigevent notification handler at the time of the call that installed the handler. Bug 621: Ambiguos requirements for trap on EXIT Accepted as Marked https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=621 This item is tagged for TC3-2008. After 2018 edition page 2420 line 77499 section 2.14 trap, add a new paragraph: The EXIT condition shall occur when the shell terminates normally (exits), and may occur when the shell terminates abnormally as a result of delivery of a signal (other than SIGKILL) whose trap action is the default. Bug 618: require isatty and friends to set errno on failure OPEN https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=618 Action item to EricB: email to various lists to collect results for sample program (see bug 503 comment 1005 for starting point) for current errno behavior on various OS Bug 614: Behavior of close() as a cancellation point is unspecified Accepted as Marked https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=614 This item is tagged for Issue 8 On D2.1 page 483 line 16985 section 2.4.3 add posix_close() to the list of async-signal-safe functions. On D2.1 page 506 line 17923 section 2.9.5.2 add posix_close() to the "shall" cancellation point list. Bug 613: Relationship of automatic object lifetimes to cancellation cleanup functions is not specified OPEN https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=613 We worked on this item and will complete it next time. 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