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Enclosed are the minutes of this weeks call
regards
Andrew
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Minutes of the 27th February 2025 Teleconference Austin-1446 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 1 March 2025
Attendees:
Don Cragun, IEEE SA OR
Andrew Josey, The Open Group
Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR
Eric Ackermann, CISPA
Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR
Geoff Clare, The Open Group
Mark Brown
Apologies
Tom Thompson, IEEE
We briefly discussed the status of the Mantis update for austingroupbugs.net,
and agreed that the switch over had been successful and any minor
issues that may come to light can be addressed if necessary.
We confirmed the calendar for upcoming meetings, adding a meeting
on March 13th. Please note that the US adjusts its clocks
on March 9th so the call will be one hour earlier in Europe for a
couple of weeks.
* Open Business
Bug 1876: clarify, whether a trap action that is executed from a OPEN
context where set -e is ignored, would have set -e ignored, too
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1876
Andrew took an action to ask shell developers to comment on this
issue. (completed by sending an email to the reflector:
austin-group-l:archive/latest/37925).
Bug 864: Insufficient specification of storage requirements for synchronization
objects
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=864
We discussed this item that had been tabled until Issue 8 TC 1.
AI: Andrew to contact Rich Felker to determine whether or not items
1 an 4 have been resolved by section 2.9.9 and to get suggested
wording for changes to address items 2 and 3. The action was
completed, but no response received as yet.
Bug 1904: LC_TIME era start_date (and end_date) possibly mis-specified
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1904
This was discussed during the 2025-02-13 meeting:
Historically, there was no year 0 and the standard is worded
to reflect this fact. Is this what implementation actually do?
Andrew had completion an action to ask for input on what other implementations
do and some feedback has been received so need to return to this on a future
call.
Bug 1616: Standardize mktemp utility OPEN
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1616
We reviewed the proposals in the bug.
A.I. Eric B: Flesh out the text in the bug report for a fully
developed man page.
We also need to come back to this one.
* Current Business
No new bugs had been received as the bug tracker had been down for the
maintenance update.
We spent the meeting discussing a liaison question from Dave Banham in the ISO
C group.
"I am wondering what the Austin Groups position is on the paper
N3401 “SIGFPE and I/O, version 2”
(https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n3401.htm) is?
My concern is that it seems to suggest that SIGFPE cannot arise
as a result of domain errors in the math and I/O functions.
Part of the problem seems to be that whilst the C Standard
defines the SIGFPE signal is does not indicate what the default
signal handling behaviour is, nor whether floating point
exceptions can actually result in a SIGFPE signal. And I note
that the typical function for enabling this is feenableexcept(),
which lies outside of the POSIX standard's scope too. Thoughts?"
Of the proposal in N3401, option 3 seems the most reasonable to the
Austin Group; however, POSIX follows the C standard, and will
continue to do so. It is noted that many Linux, BSD and other systems
do support the feenableexcept() mechanism to request SIGFPE for
certain conditions, and these systems do raise a SIGFPE from these
library functions.
Next Steps
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The next calls are on
Thu 2025-03-06 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs)
Thu 2025-03-13 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs)
The calls are for 90 minutes
Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific)
Apologies in advance
Eric Blake, 2025-03-13
Please check the calendar invites for dial in details.
Bugs are at:
https://austingroupbugs.net
An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date
format as below:
https://posix.rhansen.org/p/20xx-mm-dd
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