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Enclosed are the minutes of this weeks meeting
regards
Andrew
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Minutes of the 13th March 2025 Teleconference Austin-1448 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 16th March 2025
Attendees:
Don Cragun, IEEE SA OR
Andrew Josey, The Open Group
Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR
Eric Ackermann, CISPA
Geoff Clare, The Open Group
Mark Brown
Haelwenn Monnier, The Open Group
Apologies
Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR
Note that daylight savings times started in the US on 2025-03-09
and so the meetings will be 1 hour earlier in Europe until 2025-03-31.
We confirmed the calendar for upcoming meetings, adding a meeting
on March 27th.
We discussed the latest ISO status, with the direction that the project
will be withdrawn at JTC 1, and submitted instead by IEEE
through the PSDO process. Andrew forwarded communications
to the core team on the status.
>From Bill Ash (SC22 Manager)
"As far future collaboration, I think the IEEE PSDO agreement is
flexible on how ISO and IEEE work together. I think it is flexible
enough to allow how the Joint WG operates for doing joint work under
the PSDO.
If we ever run into an issue about liaising or collaborating, the
Open Group can always become a CAT A liaison. This would allow for
full flexibility in collaborating and sharing of information and
engagement as formally recognized by ISO for other SC 22 WGs."
* Open Business
Bug 1876: clarify, whether a trap action that is executed from a OPEN
context where set -e is ignored, would have set -e ignored, too
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1876
Andrew took an action to ask shell developers to comment on this
issue. (completed by sending an email to the reflector:
austin-group-l:archive/latest/37925).
Bug 864: Insufficient specification of storage requirements for synchronization
objects
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=864
AI: Andrew to contact Rich Felker to determine whether or not items
1 an 4 have been resolved by section 2.9.9 and to get suggested
wording for changes to address items 2 and 3. The action was
completed, but no response received as yet.
Bug 1904: LC_TIME era start_date (and end_date) possibly mis-specified
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1904
This was discussed during the 2025-02-13 meeting:
Historically, there was no year 0 and the standard is worded
to reflect this fact. Is this what implementation actually do?
Andrew had completed an action to ask for input on what other implementations
do and some feedback has been received so need to return to this on a future
call.
* Current Business
Bug 1911: Clearify & consistently define "subexpression" for ERE.
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1911
Accepted as marked, resolved, tc1-2024 tag.
Bug 1912: sysconf lacks variable for {CHARCLASS_NAME_MAX}
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1912
Accepted as marked, Interpretation required, tc1-2024 tag.
Interpretation response:
The standard states the value of {CHARCLASS_NAME_MAX} shall be
provided by the sysconf() function, and conforming implementations
must conform to this. However, concerns have been raised about this
which are being referred to the sponsor.
Rationale:
Applications cannot portably make use of this requirement since the
standard does not specify the name of the constant to pass to
sysconf().
Notes to the Editor (not part of this interpretation):
Before page 468 line 16409 section <unistd.h>, add:
<blockquote>_SC_CHARCLASS_NAME_MAX</blockquote>
Page 2199 before line 71772 section sysconf(), add
<blockquote>| {CHARCLASS_NAME_MAX} | _SC_CHARCLASS_NAME_MAX |</blockquote>
Next Steps
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We will start on bug 1913 next time.
The next calls are on
Thu 2025-03-20 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs)
Thu 2025-03-27 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs)
The calls are for 90 minutes
Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific)
Apologies in advance
Eric Blake, 2025-03-13
Please check the calendar invites for dial in details.
Bugs are at:
https://austingroupbugs.net
An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date
format as below:
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