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Enclosed are the minutes of this weeks meeting
regards
Andrew
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Minutes of the 19th June 2025 Teleconference Austin-1460 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 21st June 2025
Attendees:
Andrew Josey, The Open Group
Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR
Haelwenn Monnier, The Open Group
Geoff Clare, The Open Group
Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR
Mark Brown
Apologies
Eric Ackermann, CISPA
* General business
We confirmed the calendar for upcoming meetings, the next meeting is June 26th.
Andrew noted that there was no new status update on the IEEE PSDO process.
* Open Business
Bug 1876: clarify, whether a trap action that is executed from a OPEN
context where set -e is ignored, would have set -e ignored, too
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1876
Andrew took an action to ask shell developers to comment on this
issue. (completed by sending an email to the reflector:
austin-group-l:archive/latest/37925).
Bug 864: Insufficient specification of storage requirements for synchronization
objects
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=864
AI: Andrew to contact Rich Felker to determine whether or not items
1 an 4 have been resolved by section 2.9.9 and to get suggested
wording for changes to address items 2 and 3. The action was
completed, but no response received as yet.
Bug 1904: LC_TIME era start_date (and end_date) possibly mis-specified
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1904
This was discussed during the 2025-02-13 meeting:
Historically, there was no year 0 and the standard is worded
to reflect this fact. Is this what implementation actually do?
Andrew had completed an action to ask for input on what other
implementations do and some feedback has been received so need to
return to this on a future call.
* Current Business
Bug 1927: Add sponge utility
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1927
This item was discussed at length again.
[Action to Eric B] Start a 30-day request for comments on whether The Open
Group should sponsor the addition of this interface.
glibc realloc() behavior
We then discussed an issue about glibc realloc behavior. (No bug report had
been filed as yet)
glibc, musl, gnulib lists have been active this week with cross-posted
arguments on whether glibc complies with the various versions of C
and POSIX requirements on realloc(p,0):
https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/2025-June/167942.html
- malloc.3: Clarify realloc(3) standards conformance
Alejandro Colomar is trying to get glibc to make malloc(0) consistent
with realloc(p,0) (ie. either both should return NULL or neither),
to match musl Alejandro is also proposing WG14 papers to try and
further change future C wording, based on N3550:
https://www.alejandro-colomar.es/src/alx/alx/wg14/alx-0029.git/tree/alx-0029.txt
Related ones on musl side of things (gnulib and libc-alpha seems
to be CC'ed on most emails):
https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2025/06/19/2 - malloc.3:
Clarify realloc(3) standards conformance
https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2025/06/16/1 - BUG:
realloc(p,0) should be consistent with malloc(0)
Some relevant wg14 papers:
https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2438.htm
https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2464.pdf
[Action to Eric B] - respond to the thread and invite Alejandro to
open a bug against POSIX if we still need to address wording issues
https://lists.gnu.org/r/bug-gnulib/2025-06/msg00196.html
https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/2025-June/167978.html
Next Steps
We will start on the latest open bug or loop back to bug 1616.
The next calls are on
Thu 2025-06-26 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs)
The calls are for 90 minutes
Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific)
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