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Enclosed are the minutes from this weeks meeting.
We now have a break until August 14th
regards
Andrew
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Minutes of the 24th July 2025 Teleconference Austin-1465 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 26th July 2025
Attendees:
Andrew Josey, The Open Group
Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR
Geoff Clare, The Open Group
Eric Ackermann, CISPA
Haelwenn Monnier, The Open Group
Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR
Apologies
Malia Zaman, IEEE-SA
Mark Brown
* General business
We confirmed the calendar for upcoming meetings, the next meeting
is August 14th.
Andrew reminded attendees of the links to the procedures of the Austin Group,
and the three bodies now present in the etherpad.
* Carried Forward
Bug 1927: Add sponge utility
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1927
[Action to Eric B] Start a 30-day request for comments on whether The Open
Group should sponsor the addition of this interface.
glibc realloc() behavior
[Action to Eric B] - respond to the thread and invite Alejandro to
open a bug against POSIX if we still need to address wording issues
Update 2025-06-26: discussion on mailing lists is still ongoing;
EricB or Alejandro will open a bug soon
* New Business
Bug 1933: make: example 7 contains text for two separate topics
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1933
Accepted, resolved, tc1-2024 tag
Bug 1934: ex's suspend command and job control
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1934
Accepted as marked, resolved, tc1-2024 tag
On page 2841 line 94334 section ex (ASYNCHRONOUS EVENTS), change:
<blockquote>The action taken for all other signals is
unspecified.</blockquote>
to:
<blockquote>The action taken for signals that stop the process
(see [xref to <signal.h>]) shall be the default action. The
action taken for all signals other than those that stop the
process and those listed above is unspecified.</blockquote>
On page 2868 line 95402 section ex (suspend), change:
<blockquote>Allow control to return to the invoking process;
<i>ex</i> shall suspend itself as if it had received the SIGTSTP
signal. The suspension shall occur only if job control is enabled
in the invoking shell (see the description of <i>set</i>
<b>-m</b>).</blockquote>
to:
<blockquote>Suspend the process group to which <i>ex</i> belongs;
<i>ex</i> shall send a SIGTSTP signal as if by a call to
<tt>kill(0, SIGTSTP)</tt>, except that if the session ID of the
session to which <i>ex</i> belongs is the same as its process
group ID, no signal shall be sent.</blockquote>
After page 2902 line 96771 section ex (RATIONALE), add:
<blockquote><b>Suspend</b>
The <b>suspend</b> command is intended to mimic the action of
the General Terminal Interface (see [xref to XBD 11.1.9 Special
Characters]) for the SUSP character, by sending a SIGTSTP signal
to the process group. The condition on the session ID being
different is in order not to suspend the session leader, which
would likely lead to a situation that the user may have difficulty
recovering from.</blockquote>
and move lines 96772-96774 (Set) to before line 96746 (Substitute).
Bug 1935: posix_spawn file actions: in the context of the child or "as if" in
the context of the child?
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1935
Accepted as marked, resolved, tc1-2024 tag
On page 1590 line 53471 section posix_spawn_file_actions_addchdir(), change:
<blockquote>[...] all file actions are processed in sequence
in the context of the child at a point where the child process
is still single-threaded. [...]</blockquote>
to:
<blockquote>[...] all file actions are processed in sequence
as if in the context of the child at a point where the child
process is still single-threaded. [...]</blockquote>
On page 1591 line 53480 section posix_spawn_file_actions_addchdir(), change:
<blockquote>File actions are performed in a new process created
by <i>posix_spawn</i>() or <i>posix_spawnp</i>() in the same
order that they were added to the file actions object.</blockquote>
to:
<blockquote>File actions are performed as if in a new process
created by <i>posix_spawn</i>() or <i>posix_spawnp</i>() in the
same order that they were added to the file actions
object.</blockquote>
On page 1592 line 53516 section posix_spawn_file_actions_addclose(), change:
<blockquote>This transformation shall be as if the specified
sequence of actions was performed exactly once, in the context
of the spawned process (prior to execution of the new process
image), in the order in which the actions were added to the
object; additionally, when the new process image is executed,
any file descriptor (from this new set) which has its FD_CLOEXEC
flag set shall be closed (see [xref to posix_spawn( )]).</blockquote>
to:
<blockquote>This transformation shall be as if the specified
sequence of actions was:
<ul>
<li>performed exactly once</li>
<li>performed in the context of the spawned process (prior to execution of
the new process image)</li>
<li>performed in the order in which the actions were added to the
object</li>
</ul>
Additionally, when the new process image is executed, any file
descriptor (from this new set) which has its FD_CLOEXEC flag
set shall be closed (see [xref to posix_spawn( )]).</blockquote>
Bug 1936: timer_create synopsis uses clockid while rest of it's specification
uses clock_id
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1936
Accepted as marked, resolved, tc1-2024 tag
Replace clockid in synopsis with clock_id.
Bug 1937: Undefined behavior in tsearch EXAMPLES text
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1937
We will start on this item next time.
* Next Steps
We will start on the bug 1937.
The next calls are on
Thu 2025-08-14 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs)
The calls are for 90 minutes
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Bugs are at:
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format as below:
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