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Enclosed are the minutes of this weeks meeting
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Andrew
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Minutes of the 25th September 2025 Teleconference Austin-1468 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 27th September 2025

Attendees:
Andrew Josey, The Open Group 
Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR
Eric Ackermann, CISPA
Geoff Clare, The Open Group
Mark Brown
Haelwenn Monnier, The Open Group
Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR

* General business

We confirmed the calendar for upcoming meetings, the next meeting
is October 9th.

On progress of the standard through the PSDO process Andrew reported
that the ballot for ISO/IEC/IEEE FDIS 9945 (Ed 2) has opened and
will close on 2026-01-24.

* Carried Forward

Bug 1927: Add sponge utility 
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1927

[Action to Eric B] Start a 30-day request for comments on whether The Open 
Group should sponsor the addition of this interface.

glibc realloc() behavior

[Action to Eric B] - respond to the thread and invite Alejandro to
open a bug against POSIX if we still need to address wording issues

Update 2025-06-26: discussion on mailing lists is still ongoing;
EricB or Alejandro will open a bug soon

Bug 1941: Add widely-implemented options to grep
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1941

We understand Mirabilos runs a custom distribution of BSD:
http://www.mirbsd.org/about.htm

http://www.mirbsd.org/htman/i386/man1/grep.htm
ACTION: David Wheeler to do more research and update the bug before
next meeting

* New Business


Bug 1944: posix_devctl() uses int for command where some ioctl() 
implementations use larger type
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1944
Accepted as marked, resolved, issue9 tag

Proposed changes

After page 234 line 8250 section <devctl.h>, add: 

<blockquote>The <b><devctl.h></b> header shall define the
<b>devctl_cmd_t</b> type as an integer type with a width greater
than or equal to the width of type <b>int</b>.</blockquote>


On page 1557 line 52177 section posix_devctl(), change:
<blockquote>int dcmd</blockquote>

to:
<blockquote>devctl_cmd_t dcmd</blockquote>


Bug 1945: reference to wrong section in description of \< regex operator of the 
ex utility
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1945
Accepted, resolved, tc1-2024 tag

Bug 1946: do locale definition file global keywords allow 1-n blanks after the 
keyword or does it have to be 1 space
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1946
Accepted as marked, resolved, tc1-2024 tag

On page 129 line 4156,4161 section 7.3, change:
<blockquote>It shall have the following format, starting in
column 1</blockquote>
to:

<blockquote>It shall have the following format, interpreted as
described in [xref to XBD 5], starting in column 1</blockquote>

In a separate note: ISO/IEC TR 14652 has been withdrawn by ISO, so
it would not be appropriate to refer to it in POSIX.

Bug 1947: Repeated "the" in memmem, posix_devctl, posix_memalign
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1947
Accepted as marked, resolved, tc1-2024 tag

The editor to search for and correct occurrences of "the the", "a
a", and other common duplications. (Note there are some genuine
uses of "<b>a a</b>" where they are file names.)


* Next Steps

We will start on bug 1616 if no new bugs are submitted before
the next meeting.

We can also return to Bug 1941 and 1913.

The next call is on
Thu 2025-10-09 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs)

Apologies in Advance:
Nick Stoughton 2025-10-02, 2025-10-09
Geoff Clare 2025-10-16

The calls are for 90 minutes

Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific)


Please check the calendar invites for dial in details.

Bugs are at:
https://austingroupbugs.net

An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date
format as below:

https://posix.rhansen.org/p/20xx-mm-dd

(For write access this uses The Open Group single sign on,
for those individuals with gitlab.opengroup.org accounts.
Please contact Andrew if you need to be setup)


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