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Enclosed are the minutes of the meeting held on October 9
regards
Andrew
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Minutes of the 9th October 2025 Teleconference Austin-1470 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 13th October 2025

Attendees:
Andrew Josey, The Open Group 
David Wheeler 
Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR
Haelwenn Monnier, The Open Group
Geoff Clare, The Open Group
Mark Brown
Eric Ackermann, CISPA

Apologies
Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR

* General business

We confirmed the calendar for upcoming meetings, the next meeting
is October 23rd.

The next MSC meeting is on October 14th. Andrew has submitted a report
covering the latest status, including the PSDO submission to ISO/IEC.
He noted that we had originally anticipated to have held our first
ballot on the TC by now, but that was before we decided to go down
the PSDO path. We need to revisit our planning soon.

* Carried Forward

Bug 1927: Add sponge utility 
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1927

[Action to Eric B] Start a 30-day request for comments on whether The Open 
Group should sponsor the addition of this interface.

glibc realloc() behavior

[Action to Eric B] - respond to the thread and invite Alejandro to
open a bug against POSIX if we still need to address wording issues

Update 2025-06-26: discussion on mailing lists is still ongoing;
EricB or Alejandro will open a bug soon

Bug 1941: Add widely-implemented options to grep
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1941

We understand Mirabilos runs a custom distribution of BSD:
http://www.mirbsd.org/about.htm

http://www.mirbsd.org/htman/i386/man1/grep.htm
ACTION: David Wheeler to do more research and update the bug before
next meeting

* New Business

David reported he is working on bugs 1941 and 1942.

Bug 1948: indexing / xref issues regarding realpath and basename
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1948
Accepted, resolved, tc1-2024 tag

Action: Andrew to investigate the html search facility (completed
and fixed during the meeting)

Bug 1949: Restore the traditional realloc(3) specification OPEN
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1949

Leaning towards accepting for Issue 9, but we won't know what to
shade with CX until the C committee decides what they will do in
C2Y. May be worth raising a separate bug to change the FUTURE
DIRECTIONS in Issue 8 TC1.

The Austin Group discussed this on 9 Oct 2025, and is in general
in favor of tightening the requirements on allocations of size 0
for Issue 9, to eliminate EINVAL for an unsupported size 0. However,
as Issue 9 will likely depend on C2Y, we would prefer to delay
wordsmithing and determination of which portions of the text may
still need <CX> shading until after C2Y has settled on their parallel
project of improving the specifications of allocation behavior on
a size of 0. With glibc, malloc() and calloc() would already be
in compliance, realloc() would need to change behavior to match the
suggested wording. Most BSD implementations would already be in
compliance.


* Next Steps

We will restart on 1949.

Bugs to return to, bugs 1616, 1941 and 1913.

The next call is on
Thu 2025-10-23 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs)

The calls are for 90 minutes

Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific)


Please check the calendar invites for dial in details.

Bugs are at:
https://austingroupbugs.net

An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date
format as below:

https://posix.rhansen.org/p/20xx-mm-dd

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Please contact Andrew if you need to be setup)


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