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https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1913 
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Reported By:                calestyo
Assigned To:                
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Project:                    1003.1(2024)/Issue8
Issue ID:                   1913
Category:                   Shell and Utilities
Tags:                       tc1-2024
Type:                       Enhancement Request
Severity:                   Editorial
Priority:                   normal
Status:                     Interpretation Required
Name:                       Christoph Anton Mitterer 
Organization:                
User Reference:             Shell & Utilities 
Section:                    2.7.5, 2.7.6 
Page Number:                2497 
Line Number:                81097-81118 
Interp Status:              Proposed 
Final Accepted Text:       
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1913#c7277 
Resolution:                 Accepted As Marked
Fixed in Version:           
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Date Submitted:             2025-03-12 03:33 UTC
Last Modified:              2025-10-30 15:23 UTC
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Summary:                    clarify/define the meaning of n<&n and m>&m
redirections
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 (0007299) geoffclare (manager) - 2025-10-30 15:23
 https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1913#c7299 
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> If word evaluates to the same open file descriptor as n (or 0 or 1,
respectively, if n is not specified), [...]

That works, thanks for the suggestion.

> I'd be concerned about changing the requirements on closing fds.

At the moment there is only some non-normative text about this in C.2.7:
<blockquote>Applications should not use the [n]<&- or [n]>&- operators to
execute a utility or application with file descriptor 0 not open for reading or
with file descriptor 1 or 2 not open for writing, as this might cause the
executed program (or shell built-in) to misbehave.</blockquote>
I think there ought to be some normative text to back this up.

> sh -c 'exec 3<&0; exec <&-; exec <&3' should be fine (it's sensible and works
in existing shells).

I disagree that it's sensible.  The "exec <&-" does not achieve anything useful
and can just be omitted.  Although, having said that, I would not object to an
exception for "an exec command that reopens the closed file descriptor" in my
proposed normative addition. 

Issue History 
Date Modified    Username       Field                    Change               
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2025-03-12 03:33 calestyo       New Issue                                    
2025-03-12 07:00 larryv         Note Added: 0007111                          
2025-03-13 02:41 calestyo       Note Added: 0007112                          
2025-03-13 16:12 geoffclare     Note Added: 0007115                          
2025-03-13 17:48 calestyo       Note Added: 0007117                          
2025-03-13 20:20 larryv         Note Added: 0007119                          
2025-03-13 20:43 larryv         Note Added: 0007120                          
2025-03-14 09:44 geoffclare     Note Edited: 0007115                         
2025-03-18 12:30 geoffclare     Note Added: 0007125                          
2025-03-20 14:49 geoffclare     Note Edited: 0007115                         
2025-09-25 11:34 geoffclare     Note Added: 0007277                          
2025-10-23 15:34 geoffclare     Note Edited: 0007277                         
2025-10-23 15:36 geoffclare     Note Edited: 0007277                         
2025-10-23 15:37 geoffclare     Status                   New => Interpretation
Required
2025-10-23 15:37 geoffclare     Resolution               Open => Accepted As
Marked
2025-10-23 15:37 geoffclare     Interp Status             => Pending         
2025-10-23 15:37 geoffclare     Final Accepted Text       =>
https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1913#c7277    
2025-10-23 15:38 geoffclare     Tag Attached: tc1-2024                       
2025-10-23 15:52 ajosey         Interp Status            Pending => Proposed 
2025-10-23 15:52 ajosey         Note Added: 0007289                          
2025-10-23 16:46 hvd            Note Added: 0007291                          
2025-10-23 21:17 stephane       Note Added: 0007292                          
2025-10-23 21:24 stephane       Note Added: 0007293                          
2025-10-25 18:47 hvd            Note Added: 0007294                          
2025-10-28 11:59 geoffclare     Note Added: 0007295                          
2025-10-28 12:35 hvd            Note Added: 0007296                          
2025-10-28 15:52 geoffclare     Note Added: 0007297                          
2025-10-28 16:30 hvd            Note Added: 0007298                          
2025-10-30 15:23 geoffclare     Note Added: 0007299                          
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