All Enclosed are the minutes of last weeks call regards Andrew --- Minutes of the 4th December 2025 Teleconference Austin-1473 Page 1 of 1 Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 4th December 2025
Attendees: Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR Geoff Clare, The Open Group Mark Brown Haelwenn Monnier, The Open Group Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR Malia Zaman IEEE SA Christian Orlando IEEE SA Mark Ziegast, SHWare systems Apologies Eric Ackermann, CISPA Andrew Josey (listening only) * General business We confirmed the calendar for upcoming meetings, the next meeting is December 11th Malia and Christian joined the call. Malia announced that Christian would be the new IEEE program manager in January, although later in the call when noting the project falls under the MSC this may not be the case. * Carried Forward Bug 1927: Add sponge utility https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1927 [Action to Eric B] Start a 30-day request for comments on whether The Open Group should sponsor the addition of this interface. glibc realloc() behavior [Action to Eric B] - respond to the thread and invite Alejandro to open a bug against POSIX if we still need to address wording issues Update 2025-06-26: discussion on mailing lists is still ongoing; EricB or Alejandro will open a bug soon Bug 1941: Add widely-implemented options to grep https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1941 We understand Mirabilos runs a custom distribution of BSD: http://www.mirbsd.org/about.htm http://www.mirbsd.org/htman/i386/man1/grep.htm ACTION: David Wheeler to do more research and update the bug before next meeting * New Business Bug 1954: please allow shells to unignore signals https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1954 Accepted as marked, resolved, tc1-2024 tag After page 2568 line 83819 section trap, add a paragraph to RATIONALE: <blockquote>The standard requires that signals that were ignored on entry to a non-interactive shell cannot be trapped or reset; and this requirement was based upon long standing existing practice. It facilitates the usual convention that a process honors the inheritance of ignored signals, without the need for scripts to query whether a signal is ignored before setting a trap for it. This is particularly important, for example, for scripts that may be run from <i>nohup</i>. While this behavior is usually desired, there can be situations in which it would be useful to override it and this currently can only be done by using a C program or some non-standard utility. Implementors are encouraged to add a <b>-f</b> option to <i>trap</i> that would override the restriction on trapping or resetting signals inherited as ignored.</blockquote> Part of the chat gpt transcript: Fundamental Principle: Child Should Respect Parent’s Signal Policy The main rationale comes from the long-standing UNIX convention that a process must not silently override its inherited signal dispositions unless there’s a compelling reason. Bug 1955: Behaviour is unclear when a parameter expands to another valid expansion https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1955 Rejected, closed This was discussed in the 2025-12-04 teleconference. We believe the standard is clear and no change is needed. Bug 1956: Standardise event queue based asynchronous io. https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1956 Note added about SD6. Leave open for now. Bug 1957: Standardize the -u option for ex/vi OPEN https://www.austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1957 * Next Steps We will start at bug 1957 next time. Bugs to return to, bugs 1949, 1616, 1941. The next call is on Thu 2025-12-11 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs) The calls are for 90 minutes Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific) Please check the calendar invites for dial in details. Bugs are at: https://austingroupbugs.net An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date format as below: https://posix.rhansen.org/p/20xx-mm-dd (For write access this uses The Open Group single sign on, for those individuals with gitlab.opengroup.org accounts. Please contact Andrew if you need to be setup) -------- Andrew Josey The Open Group Austin Group Chair Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Apex Plaza, Forbury Road,Reading,Berks.RG1 1AX,England To learn how we maintain your privacy, please review The Open Group Privacy Statement at http://www.opengroup.org/privacy. To unsubscribe/opt-out from this mailing list login to The Open Group collaboration portal at https://collaboration.opengroup.org/operational/portal.php?action=unsub&listid=2481
