Sandy:

Yes, please.

Sadly, both have been used for many years.  They are essentially synonyms, and 
the on-the-wire encoding only cares about the (9) part.

Russ


> On Jan 10, 2025, at 1:59 PM, Sandy Ginoza <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Russ,
> 
> For RFC 9709, you suggested "pkcs-9(9)” is correct (replacing "pkcs9(9)”) — 
> does that apply to this document as well? 
> 
> Section 3:
>      id-alg-hss-lms-hashsig OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { iso(1)
>          member-body(2) us(840) rsadsi(113549) pkcs(1) pkcs9(9)
>          smime(16) alg(3) 17 }
> 
> Appendix A:
>   MTS-HashSig-2013
>     { iso(1) member-body(2) us(840) rsadsi(113549) pkcs(1) pkcs9(9)
>       id-smime(16) id-mod(0) id-mod-mts-hashsig-2013(64) }
> 
> … 
> 
>   id-alg-hss-lms-hashsig OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { iso(1)
>       member-body(2) us(840) rsadsi(113549) pkcs(1) pkcs9(9)
>       smime(16) alg(3) 17 }
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> RFC Editor/sg 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2025, at 1:05 PM, Russ Housley <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Removing the second expansion is fine.
>> 
>> Russ
>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2025, at 3:50 PM, Alice Russo <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Russ,
>>> Final question: Is it OK to remove this repeated expansion of PRNG, or do 
>>> you prefer that it remain as is (as it matches RFC 8708)?
>>> 
>>> Proposed change in Section 6 (because PRNG is expanded in the preceding 
>>> paragraph).
>>> 
>>> Old:
>>> While the consequences of an inadequate pseudorandom number generator 
>>> (PRNG) to generate ...
>>> 
>>> New:
>>> While the consequences of an inadequate PRNG to generate ...
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> RFC Editor/ar
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 7, 2025, at 11:22 AM, Alice Russo <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Russ,
>>>> We have noted your approval on the AUTH48 page for this document 
>>>> (https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9708). We will move this document 
>>>> forward in the publication process.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for your time.
>>>> 
>>>> RFC Editor/ar
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 6, 2025, at 1:25 PM, Alice Russo <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Russ,
>>>>> 
>>>>> My apologies for the delay. My mistake for not replying to your mail 
>>>>> before starting the holiday break. Hope your holidays were joyful!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you for your reply. The document has been updated accordingly, and 
>>>>> the revised files are here (please refresh):
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9708.html
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9708.txt
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9708.pdf
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9708.xml
>>>>> 
>>>>> This diff file shows all changes from the approved I-D:
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9708-diff.html
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9708-rfcdiff.html (side by side)
>>>>> 
>>>>> This diff file shows the changes made during AUTH48 thus far:
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9708-auth48diff.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> We will wait to hear from you again and from your coauthors
>>>>> before continuing the publication process. This page shows 
>>>>> the AUTH48 status of your document:
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9708
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> RFC Editor/ar
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2024, at 12:48 PM, Russ Housley <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2024, at 7:12 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> While reviewing this document during AUTH48, please resolve (as 
>>>>>>> necessary) the following questions, which are also in the XML file.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1) <!-- [rfced] Please insert any keywords (beyond those that appear in
>>>>>>> the title) for use on https://www.rfc-editor.org/search. 
>>>>>>> The ones from RFC 8708 are "digital signature, message content".-->
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think the keywords should be the same a RFC 8708.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2) <!--[rfced] May this be rephrased to avoid repetition of 'depend'?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>> As a result, there is a need to prepare 
>>>>>>> for a day when cryptosystems such as RSA and DSA that depend on 
>>>>>>> discrete logarithms and factoring cannot be depended upon.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>> As a result, there is a need to prepare 
>>>>>>> for a day when cryptosystems such as RSA and DSA that use
>>>>>>> discrete logarithms and factoring cannot be depended upon.
>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, that is an improvement. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 3) <!-- [rfced] For clarity, should the four variants be listed in this 
>>>>>>> sentence?
>>>>>>> (We note they were listed in RFC 8708.) 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> RFC 8554 [HASHSIG] contains one instance of 'variant' but not regarding 
>>>>>>> this concept. Also, perhaps drop the "The" because within this document 
>>>>>>> it's 
>>>>>>> referred to as "the [HASHSIG] specification" or simply "[HASHSIG]".
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>> The [HASHSIG] specifies four LM-OTS variants.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Perhaps (A): [or, it could be a bulleted list as in RFC 8708]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [HASHSIG] specifies four LM-OTS variants (LMOTS_SHA256_N32_W1, 
>>>>>>> LMOTS_SHA256_N32_W2, LMOTS_SHA256_N32_W4, and LMOTS_SHA256_N32_W8).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Or (B): [referring to Table 1]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [HASHSIG] specifies four LM-OTS variants (as listed in Table 1
>>>>>>> of [HASHIG]).
>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I prefer choice (B).  Thanks it is more clear.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 4) <!--[rfced] FYI, this sentence was updated per mail from the author 
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> 25 September 2024. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>> When this AlgorithmIdentifier appears in the SubjectPublicKeyInfo
>>>>>>> field of an end entity X.509 certificate [RFC5280], the certificate
>>>>>>> key usage extension MUST contain at least one of the following:
>>>>>>> digitalSignature or nonRepudiation. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Current:
>>>>>>> When this AlgorithmIdentifier appears in the SubjectPublicKeyInfo
>>>>>>> field of an end-entity X.509 certificate [RFC5280], the certificate
>>>>>>> key usage extension MUST contain at least one of the following:
>>>>>>> digitalSignature, nonRepudiation, or cRLSign.
>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, thanks for remembering to do this update.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 5) <!--[rfced] Regarding this comment in the ASN.1 (two instances
>>>>>>> in this document), could it be rephrased for clarity? Yes, this 
>>>>>>> comment is part of the referenced [Err7963].
>>>>>>> (Below, two hyphens have been replaced by one in order to include 
>>>>>>> this as a comment in the XML file.)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>> - KEY no ASN.1 wrapping -
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Perhaps (A):
>>>>>>> - KEY has no ASN.1 wrapping -
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Or (B):
>>>>>>> - No ASN.1 wrapping for KEY -
>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I prefer the original.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 6) <!-- [rfced] [ASN1-B] references the 2015 version of ITU-T 
>>>>>>> Recommendation
>>>>>>> X.680. This ITU-T Recommendation has been superseded a new version 
>>>>>>> published
>>>>>>> in February 2021 (https://www.itu.int/rec/t-rec-x.680/en). Would you
>>>>>>> like to update this reference to use the most current version and add 
>>>>>>> that URL
>>>>>>> to the reference?
>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Referencing the latest version is preferred.  Thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 7) <!-- [rfced] [ASN1-E] references the 2015 version of ITU-T 
>>>>>>> Recommendation
>>>>>>> X.690. This ITU-T Recommendation has been superseded by the version in
>>>>>>> February 2021 (https://www.itu.int/rec/t-rec-x.690/en). Would you like
>>>>>>> to update this reference to use the most current version and add that 
>>>>>>> URL to
>>>>>>> the reference?
>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Referencing the latest version is preferred.  Thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 8) <!-- [rfced] For [LM], we found the following URL:
>>>>>>> https://patents.google.com/patent/US5432852A/
>>>>>>> Would you like to add it to the reference?
>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I cannot find a simple URL at the US PTO.  That seems more appropriate 
>>>>>> than a Google URL.  I'd rather none.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 9) <!--[rfced] May usage of "MTS" be updated as follows? 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Original: a variant of Merkle Tree Signatures (MTS)
>>>>>>> Perhaps:  a variant of the Merkle Tree Signature (MTS) scheme.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Original: Merkle Tree Signatures (MTS) are a method 
>>>>>>> Perhaps:  The Merkle Tree Signature (MTS) scheme is a method
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We find zero usage of "Merkle Tree Signatures (MTS)" (with plural 
>>>>>>> 'Signatures')
>>>>>>> outside of RFC 8708, and the Wikipedia entry for "Merkle signature 
>>>>>>> scheme"
>>>>>>> does not use "MTS". [For background, we did ask about this usage during 
>>>>>>> AUTH48 for 8708; the current question is slightly different.]
>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Okay.  Use "Merkle Tree Signature (MTS) scheme".
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 10) <!-- [rfced] Please review each artwork element and let us know if 
>>>>>>> any should
>>>>>>> be marked as sourcecode (or another element) instead.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In addition, please consider whether the "type" attribute of any 
>>>>>>> sourcecode
>>>>>>> element should be set and/or has been set correctly.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The current list of preferred values for "type" is available at
>>>>>>> <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rpc/wiki/doku.php?id=sourcecode-types>.
>>>>>>> If the current list does not contain an applicable type, feel free to
>>>>>>> suggest additions for consideration. Note that it is also acceptable
>>>>>>> to leave the "type" attribute not set.
>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> These look correct to me.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 11) <!-- [rfced] Please review the "Inclusive Language" portion of the 
>>>>>>> online 
>>>>>>> Style Guide 
>>>>>>> <https://www.rfc-editor.org/styleguide/part2/#inclusive_language>
>>>>>>> and let us know if any changes are needed.  Updates of this nature 
>>>>>>> typically
>>>>>>> result in more precise language, which is helpful for readers.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Note that our script did not flag any words in particular, but this 
>>>>>>> should 
>>>>>>> still be reviewed as a best practice.
>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I do not see any language to make more inclusive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Russ
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 

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