Hi Madison,
thank you for this update, please see inline.
> Hi Valery and Brian,
>
> Thank you for your replies! We have posted updated files below. We believe
> that there is now only one outstanding
> item to address (see inline).
>
> >> I noticed that the following requesting change wasn't done:
> >>
> >>> 54) Section 4.4.1
> >>>
> >>> CURRENT:
> >>> Group policies are comprised of two types: GSA policy and GW policy.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps it is not consistent, but I think that we should re-expand GW
> >>> here (and perhaps GSA too).
> >>> GW is defined in the very beginning and is not used up to this point,
> >>> thus I think it would
> >>> be helpful for readers to remind what it is.
> >>>
> >>> NEW:
> >>> Group policies are comprised of two types: group SA (GSA) policy and
> >>> group-wide (GW) policy.
> >>
> >> While I admit that the proposed text re-expanded the terms that have
> >> already been expanded,
> >> the rationale for it is that this expansion was ~30 pages before, and
> >> terms were not used since that,
> >> so re-expansion may help readers to refresh their memory. I don't insist,
> >> but I think this is helpful.
> >> Brian, Deb, your opinion?
> >
> > I see no issue with re-expanding the terms, but if Madison thinks it isn’t
> > needed then let’s leave it be.
>
> 1) Thank you for pointing this out! This was actually meant to be included in
> the followup questions sent on 10/2,
> but must have gotten lost due to the number of changes in the original
> thread. Apologies for missing this!
>
> While making updates to this document, we noticed that there seems to be two
> different expansions for GSA
> (Group Security Association and group SA). Is this intentional, or may we
> make this consistent by replacing
> instances of "group SA" with the abbreviation "GSA"? If yes, may we also make
> the following adjustment to the
> "NEW" text as shown below?
This is a very good point and indeed a point for some confusion. It is not
intentional, the reason is the lack of words
in authors' vocabulary (mostly me to blame) :-)
We have the following meanings:
- GSA (Group Security Association) - a collection of individual Security
Associations (both Data-Security SAs and Rekey SAs)
as defined in Section 1.2 (we also have GSA (Group Security Association)
payload - this is just a name of a payload).
- as for "group SA", - in the document this is used to refer to an individual
Security Association within GSA (an SA that belongs to a group).
Perhaps this is a bad choice of words, but that is that. Unfortunately, the
abbreviation is the same - GSA...
I believe Brian is more experienced in the roots of these terms and can comment
on this.
Thus, we have:
- GSA - Group Security Association
- GSA policy - group Security Association policy.
This is indeed confusing.
Perhaps we can replace "GSA policy" with "group SA policy" for clarity (14
instances)? Brian, Deb, your opinion?
But there are still "GSA transforms" (meaning group SA transforms) and "GSA
Attributes" (group SA attributes)...
Any ideas?
> Perhaps:
> Group policies are comprised of two types: Group Security Association (GSA)
> policy and group-wide (GW) policy.
Based on the distinction described above I think that the correct expanding
here should be:
NEW:
Group policies are comprised of two types: group SA (GSA) policy and
group-wide (GW) policy.
Rationale - the GSA policy here describes a single SA within a GSA.
Regards,
Valery.
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>
> Madison Church
> RFC Production Center
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